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Eighteen Illegal Alien solutions that are better than any Amnesty
January 7th, 2003 | Sabertooth

Posted on 01/07/2004 8:25:32 AM PST by Sabertooth

Well, today’s the big day, if the leaks and reports coming from the Bush Administration are true. The President is supposed to announce a new direction in America’s immigration policy that would result, among other things, in some sort of legalization for millions of the Illegal Aliens currently in our country, violating our laws. This, of course, would be nothing less than Amnesty by another name.

We’re told by handwringers and the political and media elites that there is really no workable solution to the Illegal Alien problem, so we might as well legalize them so we can get track of them. Thouughtless people on both sides of the debate jawbone about silly ideas like building a wall at the Mexican border, or house to house searches, as though they were viable solutions, or the only alternatives to Amnesty ore the status quo.

It’s disappointing, frankly. There is a great disconnect when people claim that while we can put men on the moon, or win the Cold War and the War on Terror, there is no reasonable or cost effective means of solving the Illegal Alien problem without infringing on the civil liberties of all Americans.

Nonsense, this nation is plenty capable of solving any problem we decide to solve, and poll after poll shows that the American people want the problem of Illegal Aliens solved, and that Amnesty isn’t a solution to us.

Dealing with Illegals doesn't have to be the enormous burden on resources many imagine, not would it have to infringe on civil liberties.

I've posted this on a few threads, but today seems like a good day for a revised reposting of as a stand-alone thread.

This problem is no harder to solve than wanting to solve it. We can get rid of Illegals rather effectively, by rolling up our sleeves and getting the Illegals to get rid of themselves.

The first order of business, of course, is to enforce existing laws on the books against Illegals and those who employ them. Also, politicians must be held to account when they pander otherwise.

Then...

The list above is by no means comprehensive, and can be adopted piecemeal or in a single package. That said, incrementalism is probably going to be the way to go, especially politically.

These measures would provide a little carrot and lots of stick for Illegals already here to get themselves out. Some of them will need to be tested in the courts, which is another reason to adopt them piecemeal, so that an injunction against omnibus legislation can't stall the whole effort.

We ought to be looking initially at easy, politically safe legislation, like the new accounting for family reunification, Border Security/IRS cooperation, English speaking citizenship requirements, and a few others. Our politicians are a trembling, timid bunch, and need to gain a little self-confidence before they'll tackle more difficult issues.

Note a few things that aren't on my list: troops or walls on the border. I think they are a futile diversion from cost effective solutions. The best possible wall at the border is to let foreigners know that we respect our sovereignty, and they had best do the same.

Note that their are no house to house searches.

Note also that I don't call for an immigration moratorium, though others may. I think their position is within the respectable mainstream of a dialogue about immigration, and while it's possible that I might change my mind later, but I am not currently persuaded that an outright moratorium is or will be necessary.

The main problem is multimillion-strong mass of Illegals, and the secondary problem is how we currently select legal immigrants for rapid assimilation into American society. I believe my proposals adequately address both situations, but there is certainly room for debate on the back end.

Note also that I have a guest worker program that is actually honest and responsible, and not an Amnesty by another name. My program would ensure that law-abiding foreigners are background-checked before entry, rather than rewarding lawbreaking Illegals after the fact.

All of the above could be adopted while allowing politicians so-inclined to chant the "compassionate conservatism" mantra.

A few final thoughts...

My proposals will cost money and require an expansion of the federal government in certain areas. However, this expense and expansion is all well within the legitimate, Constitutional responsibilities of the federal government. There will be a greater expense initially, as we ramp up to deal with the backlog of Illegals, but a number of my proposals are at least partially self-funding. Also, success in these endeavors will eventually reduce the need for them, and as many Illegals would leave on their own. There will be future savings, it should be noted, as the population of Illegals is dwindles and their net drain on our resources is reduced.

In contrast, there would be also be an increased expense and expansion of the government if there is an Amnesty, as checking backgrounds and processing 8 to 12 million Illegals wouldn't be cheap. However, such increases and expansions would only serve to reward the lawlessness of Illegals and the cowardice of politicians, thereby encouraging more of the same in both, unless there were also enforcement proposals like mine in effect for the American Interior.

But, if we strengthened and enforced our laws consistently within our borders, then we don't need the phantom solution of Amnesty anyway.


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To: Sabertooth
My heart has been heavy all day wondering why we are allowing Vicente Fox to "buy off" our lawmakers and send us the people he should be caring for in his own country instead of blackmailing the U.S.

You outline for a plan has given me hope. I am really angry that this has gone on so long and we are enabling great suffering to the Mexican and other S.A. workers who come here with nothing.

Down the line their care and education are still another expense, even though the employers are "saving money" with their "illegal" salaries.

Something is very wrong and I believe this is not the way of the American people at all. On one hand we are liberating Iraq so they can become an independent country to stand on their own, and we are keeping the people of Mexico enslaved at the same time.

Well done.
101 posted on 01/07/2004 1:18:00 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: Sabertooth
12: Outlaw anchor babies, and give the option to the Illegal parent of taking the child with them upon deportation, or putting them up for adoption.

This is heart of our current dilemma. The continuing reinterpretations of the 14th Amendment by the courts, beginning in the later part of the 19th century and continuing today. Those interpretations are now even being extended to domesticated animals.

For any solution to succeed the 14th Amendment must be returned to its original intent.

102 posted on 01/07/2004 1:28:47 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: imintrouble
Actually we are enslaving americans that should have the rights to a job for a decent salary without having greedy corporations and politicians with hidden agendas interfering with that right.
True, corporations should make a profit, that is the american way. But they do not pass on some of the savings of hiring an illegal for some $10.00 a day job to consumers.
103 posted on 01/07/2004 1:29:04 PM PST by rave123
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To: archy
Careful Archy, you're touching the third rail by suggesting that we actually protect our borders during a time of war. Das is verboten mein FReund.
104 posted on 01/07/2004 1:33:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: rave123
I know my question sounds "basic" but can you tell me WHY are we allowing this amnesty to go forward. Who are we or what are we buying with this????

Votes? It will be years before those illegals who are made "legal" can vote. How can this be of immediate benefit to any political parties right now?

Or is there some hidden agenda I am not aware of?

Is it like the Cuban exiles absolutely directing the way Washington acts towards Cuba.

I wish I had that much clout with my government.
105 posted on 01/07/2004 2:02:57 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: Poohbah
"Invasion" has a specific meaning in law

Cite and quote.

106 posted on 01/07/2004 2:11:09 PM PST by Roscoe
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To: Sabertooth
Enforce the immigration laws ALREADY on the books--
Politicians are insulated against the cost that WE all pay for unchecked immigration.
Its not their (the pols) hourly wages being under-cut--they don't have to worry about their hospitals and trauma units folding under the burden of treating people who don't pay, its not slums and crime cropping up in THEIR towns and cities...their kids are not packed into portable trailers-for-classrooms to keep up with the influx of illegals on the school system etc etc...politicians can make wreckless decisions regarding illegals, and even reward their crimes, and we are the ones who pay for it.
"Cheap produce" has a much higher cost in the long run--and we're footing the bill.
Pres. Bush just blew the "free-for-all" whistle.
(please don't put me on the immigration ping list--I can't keep up with them all--thanks)
107 posted on 01/07/2004 2:14:53 PM PST by two23
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To: Sabertooth
I know it would cost money and require effort but the easiest way to slow or even reverse the flood of illegals is to stop their transfer of funds back to Mexico and SA.

This is much easier to do than rounding up, inspecting employers books (if they keep any), refusing to pay for education and health care etc. It would work quickly and also weed out those who see the US as a giant ATM machine.

Stop the money from leaving the country and you won't need a list of things to make illegal etc. Just the threat would be enough to bring Fox to heel.

I'm sure there is a long list of reasons why this "can't" be done but that list is shorter than all these other solutions - which just deal with the results instead of the reason for illegal immigration.
108 posted on 01/07/2004 2:24:55 PM PST by Let's Roll (Support our brave troops as they protect us from evil.)
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To: Sabertooth



109 posted on 01/07/2004 2:26:35 PM PST by Paul Ross (Reform Islam Now! -- Nuke Mecca!)
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To: DollyCali
Here's another suggested piece to disseminate, although longer, a review of the book "Mexifornia, A State of Becoming":

The Coming of Mexifornia
By John Fonte
Hudson Institute | August 21, 2003


When Victor Davis Hanson talks, Washington’s conservative elite listens. A brilliant classical scholar, a prolific military historian, and a hands-on, tractor-driving, fifth-generation California farmer, Professor Hanson has lectured the Joint Chiefs of Staff, dined at the Vice President’s home, and advised the President of the United States.

In his latest book, Mexifornia: A State Of Becoming, Hanson dissects America’s mass immigration/anti-assimilation status quo and details how it undermines our national interests.

He bluntly lays out the problem:

"The really perilous course lies in preserving the status quo and institutionalizing our past failed policies: open borders, unlimited immigration, dependence on cheap and illegal labor, obsequious deference to Mexico City, erosion of legal statutes, multiculturalism in our schools, and a general breakdown in the old assimilationist model."

And he presents a clear solution:

If we are serious people, we will "adopt sweeping restrictions on immigration;" end "separatist ideology;" promote a "stronger mandate for assimilation;" (meaning real civic education in our schools, emphasizing American culture and values); and end "the two-tier legal system for illegal aliens." By this he means ending practices such as allowing illegal aliens in California to get into state universities for reduced tuition rates while American citizens from neighboring Arizona and Nevada pay the full price.

As a leading military historian, Hanson is undoubtedly familiar with the crucial insight of Karl von Clausewitz, that the best way to defeat an adversary is to strike at what the great Prussian strategist called the opponent’s "center of gravity," a "hub of movement and power on which everything depends." This "center of gravity" could be an enemy’s main military forces, capital city, national morale, or alliance system. In any case, Clausewitz states, that if the enemy’s "center of gravity" collapses, the enemy will be defeated.

Left-Right Alliance

Hanson targets the "center of gravity" of the mass immigration/weak assimilation regime as the product of a de facto alliance of the Corporate/Libertarian Right and the Multicultural Left that protects and promotes this system. He states, "Both parties, after all, did their part to get us into this predicament and have so far escaped accountability for the harm they have done." Illegal immigration "continues on unabated" because "it unites the power and influence of employers with the rhetoric and threats of the race industry." Who, after all, "wants to be called an isolationist or a nativist by the corporate Right and a racist or bigot by the multicultural Left?"

But Hanson, a man with Mexican-American nieces, nephews, sisters-in-law, and prospective sons-in-law, who has labored in the fields alongside his workers, faced down illegal alien intruders on his property, and been the target of academic smear campaigns, is not a man to be intimidated. In Mexifornia he charges ahead and details the damage that the Right-Left open-borders coalition has wrought.

One of the major premises on which the pro-mass immigration Right’s worldview rests is the assertion that the assimilation of immigrants into the American mainstream is proceeding today successfully much as it has in the past. Thus, Michael Barone, a leading spokesman for this view, insists that "we have been here before." There is nothing to be concerned about because the history of American immigration will essentially repeat itself—Ellis Island redux—with today’s Latinos playing the role of yesterday’s Italians, assimilating, joining the middle class, and—as a bonus for political conservatives—even voting Republican.

After the publication of his influential book The New Americans, in 2001, the affable and well-connected Barone, was everywhere in the pre-9/11 world of the establishment center-right: the K Street business luncheons, the think-tanks, the Republican side of the Hill, spreading the word—let mass immigration continue; throw in an amnesty for good measure; and it will all work out fine, just like in did in the past. Hanson never mentions Barone, but Mexifornia is a root and branch repudiation of the vision of The New Americans and of the entire business/libertarian pro-mass immigration worldview.

Hanson begins by explaining that Mexican immigration is different. In contrast to immigrants from "the Philippines, China, Japan, Basque Spain, Armenia, and the Punjab," for the Mexican arrival in California there is little physical separation from the homeland; after all, "the Rio Grande is no ocean." This makes assimilation more difficult. Add to this the "enormous numbers" (Mexicans are the largest single immigrant group) and "the constant stream of new arrivals" which "means for each assimilated Mexican, there are several more who are not."

Also, Hanson notes, in the past, Italian, Jewish, and Polish immigrants knew that if they did not learn English they would be failures in America. Today, "A Mexican in California senses that if he fails to integrate into mainstream American society, there will always be thousands of more newcomers like himself who will . . . join him in a viable expatriate culture." Moreover, American leaders "lack confidence in the melting pot" and make little, if any, attempt to assimilate immigrants into their language or their culture.

While American elites of the both the left and right tend to pander to the Mexican governing class, Hanson is highly critical of this group, "which both deliberately exports its unwanted and, once they safely reach American soil, suddenly becomes their champion and absent parent, as much out of resentment toward the United States, as in real concern for people whom they apparently are so gladly free of."

Massive immigration to and financial bailouts from their northern neighbor are, in fact, what allows the Mexican elite to avoid real reform. Hanson insists that "Market capitalism, constitutional democracy, the creation of a middle-class ethic . . .will never fully come to Mexico as long its potential critics go north" instead of marching on Mexico City.

Assimilation Then and Now

With empathy Hanson describes the world of the illegal alien. It is mostly a young man’s world that starts in hope, but soon turns to resignation and is pretty much over by age forty, as knees, backs, and shoulders give way. Although the illegal aliens earn much more than they ever could in Mexico, they begin to compare their circumstances of backbreaking work, not to life in Mexico but to the seemingly easy life of their American employers sitting at poolside, sipping drinks, gossiping on cell phones. Human nature being what it is, they become resentful of these affluent "gringos." At the same time, their children, who know little of Mexico, become even more resentful.

The world of the illegal alien contains the pathologies as well as the strengths of young men. As Hanson puts it, "in the history of civilization it is single transient young men who build bridges and roads, but also bring societies their crime and violence." Not surprisingly, almost a fourth of all inmates in California prisons are from Mexico. The author describes a series of personal confrontations with young illegal aliens who vandalize, steal, and deal drugs on his property. Parroting Chicano Studies ideology, one gang member told him, "Hey, it’s our land anyway, not yours."

Hanson looks askance at upper- and middle-class Americans (both liberals and conservatives) who have winked at the development of a two-tiered peonage-style economic system based on cheap illegal labor that has created a new segregation in which the "helots" even live in their own towns that resemble, in many respects, some of the negative aspects of rural Mexico.

In contrast to today’s failed immigration and assimilation policies, Mexican immigration to America before 1970 was a great success story. The old assimilationist model worked. Hanson describes civic education in his predominately Mexican-American school in the small town of Selma in the heart of California’s Central Valley in the late 1950s and early 1960s. They learned a "tough Americanism" with "biographies of Teddy Roosevelt, stories about Lou Gehrig, recitations from Longfellow, demonstrations of how to fold the flag, a repertoire of patriot songs to master." He "can still remember" his fellow students singing "God Bless America" with the "Spanish accented refrains" of "Stand bêsid her."

Nor did they simply learn a one-sided "triumphalist" history as contemporary academics tell us. They learned about America’s failings, about slavery, segregation, discrimination and prejudice. But Hanson remembers that discussions of the negative aspects of America’s past did not "teach the cheap lesson that America was racist and oppressive." Instead, there was a sense of balance "achieved through the comparison with contemporary societies elsewhere, and confidence in our values, measured against a recognition of innate human weakness."

The end result of this type of civic education was a Selma, California, composed of and run by assimilated, patriotic Mexican-Americans, Hanson’s friends, neighbors, and in-laws. He writes, "If the purpose of such an education system as the one that formed us was to turn out true Americans of every hue, and to instill in them a love of their country and a sense of personal possibility, then the evidence forty years later would say that is was an unquestionable success." His former classmates, overwhelmingly Mexican-Americans, have become teachers, principals, business executives, army officers, skilled mechanics, insurance agents, and lawyers. They are the true heroes of this book, and they prove that successful assimilation is not based on race or ethnicity, but on embracing our common culture and the American Way of Life.

Race Industry vs. Pop Culture

The civic education of Hanson’s youth that achieved what may be called "patriotic assimilation" has been undermined for the past three decades by the other half of the Right-Left open-borders coalition, the Multicultural Left. If the Corporate/Libertarian Right marches under the banner of the Dollar, the Multicultural Left marches under the banner of Racial Separatism. In our colleges and universities there are separate admissions criteria, separate curricula, separate dorms, separate rules, and finally even separate graduation ceremonies for different races and ethnic groups.

In a chapter that examines the damage done both to Latinos in the United States and to the nation itself in the name of multiculturalism, Hanson strips the moral authority from those he calls "race manipulators." In blunt language he explains how a "new race industry" committed to an "agenda of separatism and racial spoils" in the schools, universities, bureaucracies, unions, and politics subverts our common culture, dis-integrates our nation, and harms the life-chances of the very "clients" it claims to speak for.

Mastery of the English language and of an academic curriculum that could help Latino students compete in California’s tough labor market is discouraged in the state’s public schools and colleges in favor of the separatist ideology of Chicano Studies and a bilingual education in which Mexican-American children become competent in neither English nor Spanish.

Hanson contemptuously denounces racial ideologists in the universities: "If there is truly a lingering racism in California, then one need go no further than the state universities, where so much money and power has been handed over to an elite class of racialists who in return have created a curriculum designed to guarantee failure for the children of migrants."

Hanson points out that Mexicans and Mexican-Americans have dismal high school and college graduation rates and are over-represented in "our jails, prisons, and welfare programs," yet the grip of the racial ideologues remains. He suggests, only partially tongue-in-cheek, that it is as if " a white supremacist and a crackpot racist got together" and "brewed the germs of our present school curriculum, concocted the virus of the La Raza separatist and racist mythology, and then released these pathogens . . . [on] unsuspecting Californians, who then proceeded unknowingly to destroy the aspirations of millions of desperately poor aliens."

After excoriating the Multicultural Left, Hanson suggests that the "wholly amoral power of a new popular and global culture" offers a countervailing force to their consciously anti-assimilation actions, in a chapter that has caused some consternation among conservatives.

Global popular culture—the new music, fast food, videos, MTV, boorish entertainment, crass magazines, slang speech, unisex clothes, defiant youth attitudes—is a revolutionary egalitarian development smashing old hierarchies, authorities, and standards—trumping family, ethnicity, race, gender, class, religion, and government. It indiscriminately levels both outmoded snobbery and good taste. It undermines the multicultural race agitator as well as the earnest teacher.

It is "schlock" Hanson tell us, "perhaps deleterious to the long-term moral health of the United States" but in "the short term it is about the only tool we possess to prevent racial separation and ethnic tribalism."

But obviously, Hanson notes, "superficial immersion" in American popular culture is "no substitute for real civic education about American history, culture, and values." In the end, the "leveling effect of popular culture does buy us a little time. It gives America a few years respite before we must deal with the catastrophe that we are not educating millions, not teaching them a common and elevated culture, and not addressing the dilemma of open borders." (And perhaps as the emergence of Arnold Schwartzenegger has revealed, popular culture might "buy a little time" a "few years respite" for the California Republican Party as well.)

Four Choices for America

In the concluding chapter, Hanson declares that Californians (and, thus, Americans) have essentially four choices in dealing with immigration. First we could "continue de facto open-borders" but insist upon assimilation. Second we could vastly reduce immigration and assume that assimilation will take care of itself. Third—Hanson’s choice—we could combine greatly reduced immigration (both legal and illegal) with vigorous patriotic assimilation.

The fourth path¾our present policy—would lead to "a true Mexifornia," an "apartheid state" that "even the universal solvent of popular culture could not unite." California would then combine the "worst attributes of both nations," an "American individualism shorn of both Anglo-Saxon-inspired allegiance to the letter of the law and traditional Mexican familial and religious bedrock values."

In this case, Hanson tells us, poverty becomes endemic; schools erode; crime soars; taxes increase; budget deficits explode; legal or illegal status becomes "irrelevant" for college tuition, driver’s licenses, welfare, and "perhaps soon even voting privileges." The assimilated upper and upper-middle classes of all races practice a "self-interested apartheid" while professing "selfless liberality." A new argot of Spanglish, the "dumbing-down of both languages," emerges among a large, unassimilated, constantly growing Latino underclass that dwarfs both the upper class and an assimilated and intermarried middle and working class.

Advancing Party of the Flag?

Victor Davis Hanson’s Mexifornia is creating quite a stir among mainstream conservatives. It is the summer sensation, with a cover story in National Review and overwhelmingly positive and enthusiastic reviews in the center-right press. Even the Wall Street Journal had some favorable comments.

One reason for this enthusiasm is that the book has arrived at just the right time. Conservatives are having "second thoughts" on immigration and assimilation policies. During the 1970s and 1980s, when there was broad support for relatively open immigration among conservatives, it was assumed that assimilation into the American mainstream would take care itself. With the publication of a seminal article ("Time to Rethink Immigration") in National Review in June 1992, by a free-market journalist and Forbes contributor named Peter Brimelow, opposition to mass immigration started to build on the right. Under the editorship of John O’Sullivan, National Review was at the center of this first-wave debate that faded in the late ’90s.

During the same period, however, at the dawn of the twenty-first century, it was becoming increasingly clear to many thoughtful conservatives that traditional assimilation was not working. Slowly and almost imperceptibly, leading conservative intellectuals and activists began having "second thoughts" about our de facto mass immigration policy. The events of 9/11 further strengthened the rethinking.

Today, this "second thoughts" group would include, in varying degrees, Californians such as Ward Connerly, Thomas Sowell, and former leftists David Horowitz and Peter Collier (Collier urged Hanson to write this manuscript in the first place for Encounter Books, his publishing house); City Journal writers such as Myron Magnet and Heather MacDonald; First Things editor Fr. Richard John Neuhaus; American Enterprise editor Karl Zinsmeister; Hudson Institute President Herb London; Nixon Center President Dimitri Simes and center scholar Robert Leiken; academics including Walter McDougall, James Kurth, Fred Lynch, and Samuel Huntington; National Association of Scholars stalwarts such as Carol Iannone, Glynn Custred, Thomas Wood, Gilbert T. Sewall, and Eugene Genovese; journalist Michele Malkin (whose new book on immigration and national security, Invasion, is a best seller); the National Review’s Ramesh Ponnuru; Claremont Institute scholars Ken Masugi and Tom West; neoconservative professor Fred Siegal; and, since 9/11, the prominent scholar of Islam and presidential appointee, Daniel Pipes. Even the venerable libertarian thinker Milton Friedman has noted that mass immigration and the welfare state don’t mix.

With the strong and positive reception given Mexifornia, conservatives have now entered the second stage of their internal debate over immigration and assimilation. In one sense, conservatives are divided between those who seriously believe in democratic self-government, that is to say, that a people that wants to limit immigration has the moral right and the ability to do so, versus those who believe in economic or demographic determinism, who tells us that the market requires and demands continuous mass immigration regardless of what the American people want and that there is nothing we can do to stop illegal immigration anyway. Hanson, who insists that the future is ours to shape, is clearly in the democratic camp as opposed to the determinist one.

In another sense, conservatives are divided between those who emphasize the long-term national interests in strengthening American unity and our common civic culture and those who emphasize the short-term economic interests of the benefits of cheap labor. The irony facing the "economy über alles" conservatives is that their open-borders policies create the types of social costs, high taxes, and left-wing politics that ultimately undermine both the free market and the nation.

Moral Arguments

In the name of national cohesion and self-government, Mexifornia strikes a major blow for The Party of the Flag against the Right-Left coalition that allies The Party of the Dollar with The Party of Racial Separatism. Hanson’s main weapons are moral arguments. He tells us that the current policies protected by this Left-Right alliance have undermined our common culture in the post 9/11 world; harmed the very Latinos they are designed to help; weakened the standard of living for working-class whites, African-Americans, native-born Mexican-Americans, and legal immigrants; and created new forms of segregation and a virulent race industry. Logically it follows that these policies are amoral, if not immoral.

Hanson’s emphasis on moral factors in Mexifornia is reminiscent of one of his books on military history. In The Soul of Battle (1999) Hanson narrates the campaigns of three extraordinary generals—ancient Greece’s Epaminondas, the Civil War’s Sherman, and World War II’s Patton—who led democratic armies against authoritarian, race-based regimes (Sparta, the Old South, National Socialist Germany). Common to all three generals was their moral vision of fighting against injustice—Spartan helotage, Southern slave society, Nazi race superiority. They were moralists as well as realists. They were "better warmakers," Hanson tells us, because they were ultimately fueled by democratic ideas and an ethical agenda.

Hanson’s Mexifornia is also compelled by a moral vision. He is a better policymaker because his writing is fueled by an ethical agenda. He strikes at the center of gravity of an amoral Left-Right alliance that, while obviously not authoritarian, is clearly cynical and opportunistic with its own, twenty-first century variants of race manipulators and helotage-creating systems that ultimately subvert the cohesion of the United States as a nation.

Like his hero William Tecumseh Sherman, who promised to "make Georgia howl," Victor Davis Hanson surely makes his opponents—these modern-day anti-unionists—"howl." But the larger question is this: As summer turns to fall, will the intellectual war over the relationship of immigration to American unity and our common culture accelerate? Is Mexifornia the beginning of a new ideological offensive by The Party of the Flag that outlines a moral vision in the name of a united American people? And if Hanson is Sherman, who will play Grant?My guess is that John O’Sullivan, a bloodied and savvy veteran of the immigration/multicultural wars of the ’90s who takes the helm of The National Interest in September, is ready to fill this role—ready like Grant to wage a war of attrition, issue by issue, trench by trench, against the forces of Separatism that make up the Corporate Right-Multicultural Left nexus: the business lobbyists, the libertarian editorialists, the pandering politicians, the immigration rights lawyers, the international law specialists, the group preference advocates, the race industry, the multicultural educators, the promoters of transnational and subnational arrangements that degrade our democratic sovereignty, and all those who directly or indirectly undermine the unity of the American nation.


110 posted on 01/07/2004 2:33:00 PM PST by Paul Ross (Reform Islam Now! -- Nuke Mecca!)
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To: Paul Ross
A good read.
111 posted on 01/07/2004 3:52:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: Sabertooth
12: Outlaw anchor babies, and give the option to the Illegal parent of taking the child with them upon deportation, or putting them up for adoption.

This is already the law. A baby born here is still a U.S. citizen, but cannot sponsor any relatives for admission until age 18.

112 posted on 01/07/2004 3:55:28 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: PuNcH
Maybe we should throw in a bounty to illegals who turn in their own employers as well.

Also, let them sue for back wages plus interest and penalties. Those paid below the minimum wage could file with the American Consulate in their home countries with a percentage going to the lawyers who pursue the case to final settlement and the government to defray the costs of illegal immigration.

This would be one way to get some of the lawyers and alien rights advocates on board. A few well-publicized cases would make those businesses who claim they hire illegals because they are such hard workers and not because they can be easily exploited suddenly reconsider their options.

113 posted on 01/07/2004 4:02:08 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Sabertooth
I would add one thing and that is to change the 14th Amendment to read:

All persons born in the United States must show proof that either parent are legal citizens of the United States in order to become a citizen of the United States.
114 posted on 01/07/2004 4:11:14 PM PST by Isolationist
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To: Lurking Libertarian
This is already the law. A baby born here is still a U.S. citizen, but cannot sponsor any relatives for admission until age 18.

Like many other laws, this one isn't being enforced --- if a Mexican comes over on any kind of visa, has a baby, they stay and collect many types of welfare for that baby. The baby qualifies for welfare, the illegal parent doesn't get sent back.

115 posted on 01/07/2004 4:14:34 PM PST by FITZ
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To: rave123
I'm not sure if the new proposal has any connections with minim. wages.

O'Reilly didn't give him time to explain, just cut him off and threw out the slavery crack. I'd expect Savage to argue that we ought to let the free market resolve that issue. I like to have cheap produce myself, but the old way of doing things never made much sense to me: Pay people next to nothing so everyone has cheap produce available to them, but most particularly, so that the people you pay next to nothing have cheap produce available to them. I mean, WHAT? Circular reasoning. Let the market decide. People have to eat, so there will always be a profit in farming -- or working for a farmer -- if you just let the market be.

BTW, Savage didn't have time to get into how you'd enforce this proposal, either. Presumably, illegals would still try to sneak in and pass themselves off as legal immigrants. Maybe have some kind of draconian penalty for employers who hire them? . . .

116 posted on 01/07/2004 4:28:53 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: imintrouble
wondering why we are allowing Vicente Fox to "buy off" our lawmakers and send us the people he should be caring for in his own country instead of blackmailing the U.S.

Fox wins by exporting his welfare problem to the US. I'm still not certain what Bush wins but all those crazy conspiracy theories are becoming more plausible every day.

117 posted on 01/07/2004 4:48:31 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
I agree. I put my faith in the people here to get it sorted out. I know I can't. I just read and hope!

Fox should be called a dictator, not a Presidente!
118 posted on 01/07/2004 5:06:47 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: Sabertooth
Your proposals are mainly aimed at what to do in the future...and some are well framed. The President is concerned about what to do NOW with the existing illegals. You should add to your list the elimination of the minimum wage. That would help employers hire more Americans as well...instead of having to hire illegals to maintain a business.

By the way, I would need to make sure that those escaping from totalitarian (Communist or Islamic)regimes had a chance to stay as well. The image of America as a beacon for freedom should remain strong.

119 posted on 01/07/2004 5:50:00 PM PST by eleni121
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Dick Morris was on O'Reilly tonight and they were comparing the States of "blue and red" voting. Morris explained the President's thinking in gathering in the Mexican worker under some kind of legal protection. It is the vote of course.

Morris stated that the Hispanic population of ALL the U.S. can turn the tide depending upon who the favored candidate is. In granting temporary amnesty to the illegals, George Bush hopes to swing the Mexican "legals" who can vote.

The prize is always the vote, but at the expense of the "legal American public"????????

We also have righteous votes.

Pandering to one element of society doesn't sound like the kind of government I want. The squeeky wheel gets attention, but isn't good for much else.
120 posted on 01/07/2004 6:18:09 PM PST by imintrouble
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