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Clinton Enjoys Role as Adviser of Zot!
NY Times ^ | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

Posted on 01/05/2004 11:17:52 AM PST by zing ding

He left office nearly three years ago as one of the most successful Presidents ever, and Bill Clinton, the youngest ex-president in modern times, is still the go-to guy in Democratic politics.

All of the party's major candidates for president say they call on Mr. Clinton for advice. They say the former president always seems eager to talk politics, and one says the former president sometimes seems to relish the calls as an excuse not to work on his memoirs.

"He said to me once, `I shouldn't be spending this much time, I've got to be writing my book,' " this candidate said. "But if you get him at home or in the office and he's not traveling, he has the time. And he loves it."

The candidates said they were seeking advice on tactical and substantive matters. As they tussle over the direction of the party, they are also consulting former Clinton aides to help flesh out their policy proposals. Robert E. Rubin, Mr. Clinton's treasury secretary, and Gene Sperling, a senior economic adviser in the Clinton White House, are particularly popular.

Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, who calls himself the former president's ideological heir, said, "He's brilliant, both on policy and politics."

"We'll talk about where we are on some issue, and maybe this is the way to deal with it," Mr. Lieberman said.

Representative Richard A. Gephardt said Mr. Clinton had helped with "the whole construct" of his campaign.

Mr. Gephardt added: "He always said to me, `One of your advantages is your experience,' and he said, `That's something you obviously need to talk about and make an asset, not a negative.' "

When Gen. Wesley K. Clark, a fellow Arkansan, entered the campaign in September, the re-emergence of Clinton loyalists like Bruce Lindsey fueled speculation that Mr. Clinton and his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, were backing General Clark as a way to stop another candidate, Howard Dean. General Clark said the Clintons had encouraged him to run, but the Clintons have said they would not endorse anyone in the primaries.

Moreover, the Clintons have said positive things about many of the candidates, leaving General Clark to compete for a public blessing. His campaign did some elaborate planning last month to have Mr. Clinton issue a one-sentence tribute to General Clark to rebut Slobodan Milosevic at the former Yugoslav president's war-crimes trial in the Hague.

General Clark said that Mr. Clinton had helped him make the transition from the military to politics. "The biggest thing is in terms of dealing with people who question you," General Clark said.

He said Mr. Clinton had also advised him that "you have to have positive energy in the campaign, you have to fight hard but you don't want to get negative."

A Clinton friend, Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the television producer who with her husband, Harry Thomason, made the campaign video "The Man From Hope" for Mr. Clinton in 1992, has made the similar "American Son" for General Clark.

Last week, the Clark campaign became the first with a commercial that included a picture of Mr. Clinton, though Mr. Gephardt noted that he was the first to refer to Mr. Clinton in a commercial, in September.

When Mr. Lieberman heard about the Clark commercial, he sounded a bit miffed that he had been beaten to the punch.

"Has President Clinton now become public property so that we can do it without his permission?" Mr. Lieberman asked reporters in a conference call.

Even Dr. Dean, who has made statements perceived as critical of Mr. Clinton, mentioned the former president and his wife in an interview: "I talk to both him and the senator fairly frequently."

Dr. Dean added: "Sometimes they call me, but it's usually me calling them. Sometimes I ask Hillary for advice on how she would respond to some stuff. He and I talk about strategy and the campaign."

Three of the candidates, Dr. Dean, General Clark and Carol Moseley Braun, followed in Mr. Clinton's footsteps last week, going to South Carolina for the New Year's retreat of movers and shakers known as the Renaissance Weekend.

"Clinton remains a protean force in the Democratic Party," said Thomas Mann, an expert on politics at the Brookings Institution.

"All of the candidates would like to emulate his success and to contrast the economic success of the 90's with what Bush has done," Mr. Mann said.


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To: zing ding; Admin Moderator
Clinton Enjoys Role as Adviser in Chief ^. Hi zing ding. I know you're new to FR (at least this time around :) so you may not know about this rule: We DO NOT change the title of an article.
41 posted on 01/05/2004 12:14:21 PM PST by upchuck (This tag line will self-destruct in five seconds. 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... 1.... DISOLVE!)
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To: will1776
Darn. That's one individual with way too few brain cells and way too much time on his hands.
42 posted on 01/05/2004 12:15:36 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: zing ding
He left office nearly three years ago as one of the most successful Presidents ever...

If Clinton is an example of one of the most successful Democratic Presidency ever, then God help us if one of the current candidates gets elected.

43 posted on 01/05/2004 12:20:03 PM PST by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: cake_crumb
Not only that, but he's doing it at the expense of N. Carolina taxpayers. I don't have the URL right now, but do a search on the keyword zot. Click on the thread posted by normal conservative and read post 25.
44 posted on 01/05/2004 12:20:11 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Oklahomans: If you're related to some of them, you're related to all of them.)
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To: zing ding
RONTFL....one of the most successful Presidents, my you know what.
45 posted on 01/05/2004 12:21:49 PM PST by freekitty
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To: Argus
In plain English, a pathological liar and unprincipled con artist who changes his position to whatever polls the best. A fitting role model for the Democratic Party, indeed.

I couldn't agree more. In addition, based on the traits listed here ^, IMHO he's a sociopath as well.

A very dangerous man, indeed.

46 posted on 01/05/2004 12:25:18 PM PST by upchuck (This tag line will self-destruct in five seconds. 5.... 4.... 3.... 2.... 1.... DISOLVE!)
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To: zing ding
one of the most successful Presidents ever,

Successful at what, exactly? Avoiding rape convictions? Appeasing our enemies? Hitting on interns? Bombing Christian nations that didn't threaten the U.S. in the least?

47 posted on 01/05/2004 12:26:08 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: zing ding
This is from The Onion, isn't it?
48 posted on 01/05/2004 12:28:15 PM PST by WayneM
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To: will1776; cake_crumb
From Jim

Well, it's not really all that much data gathering and not impressive at all. Just following the IP address and login trail through the server logs. The real killer is this guy does a lot of his trolling while on the job. A real cushy government job (State of NC - State Telecommunications Services NC-GOV - NET-NC Dept of Environment and Natural Resources). He's using government facilities, government time and our tax dollars to disrupt our anti-government corruption and waste forum and attempting to drive people away with his rantings.

How does it feel to get trolled by a government agent?


49 posted on 01/05/2004 12:28:18 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: will1776
What the heck?! This guy sounds off his meds.
50 posted on 01/05/2004 12:28:58 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Nobody told me it snows in Seattle!!!)
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To: Admin Moderator
Thanks.
51 posted on 01/05/2004 12:30:45 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Oklahomans: If you're related to some of them, you're related to all of them.)
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To: zing ding
He left office nearly three years ago as one of the most successful Presidents ever,
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What are they talking about? His failures led to 9-11. The economy runs in cycles. He didn't do it, rather, he happened to be in office at the time. He lost the House, the Senate, governorships, state legislatures. He not only damaged this nation, he damaged his party. He literally and figuratively stained the presidency. That is success?

52 posted on 01/05/2004 12:32:07 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: doug from upland
The homeless problem virtually disappeared, though./sarcasm
53 posted on 01/05/2004 12:33:38 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Oklahomans: If you're related to some of them, you're related to all of them.)
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To: zing ding
Ewwwwwwww. Yuk. Is that Clinton DNA dripping down from Ms. Seelye's chin?
54 posted on 01/05/2004 12:34:42 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: zing ding
Representative Richard A. Gephardt said Mr. Clinton had helped with "the whole construct" of his campaign.

Yeah, how's that workin' for ya, Mr. G?

55 posted on 01/05/2004 12:34:49 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: doug from upland
He lost the House, the Senate, governorships, state legislatures. He not only damaged this nation, he damaged his party. He literally and figuratively stained the presidency. That is success?
IMHO i think the ex disgrace has been a smashing sucess for conservatives nation wide.
56 posted on 01/05/2004 12:36:57 PM PST by suzyq5558 (Deenie has no claim to national leadership. but he does claim lots of theory conspiracies!)
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To: zing ding
He left office nearly three years ago as one of the most successful Presidents ever, and Bill Clinton, the youngest ex-president in modern times, is still the go-to guy in Democratic politics.

You misspelled blow-screw guy.

Hoppa dat hepps heaps.

57 posted on 01/05/2004 12:38:46 PM PST by Lazamataz (G-d gave us free will. The government took it away.)
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To: Admin Moderator
BTW, I heard someone mention being a FReeper on Drudge last night. Do you know who that was?
58 posted on 01/05/2004 12:39:14 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (Oklahomans: If you're related to some of them, you're related to all of them.)
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To: will1776
The homeless problem virtually disappeared, though./sarcasm

Yeah, but Clinton didn't solve the problem.

Because within hours of Dubya's inauguration, the homeless problem mysteriously reappeared.

59 posted on 01/05/2004 12:40:27 PM PST by Lazamataz (G-d gave us free will. The government took it away.)
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To: Jonah Hex
Did someone call?
60 posted on 01/05/2004 12:40:53 PM PST by viking kitty
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