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Clinton Enjoys Role as Adviser of Zot!
NY Times ^
| KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Posted on 01/05/2004 11:17:52 AM PST by zing ding
He left office nearly three years ago as one of the most successful Presidents ever, and Bill Clinton, the youngest ex-president in modern times, is still the go-to guy in Democratic politics.
All of the party's major candidates for president say they call on Mr. Clinton for advice. They say the former president always seems eager to talk politics, and one says the former president sometimes seems to relish the calls as an excuse not to work on his memoirs.
"He said to me once, `I shouldn't be spending this much time, I've got to be writing my book,' " this candidate said. "But if you get him at home or in the office and he's not traveling, he has the time. And he loves it."
The candidates said they were seeking advice on tactical and substantive matters. As they tussle over the direction of the party, they are also consulting former Clinton aides to help flesh out their policy proposals. Robert E. Rubin, Mr. Clinton's treasury secretary, and Gene Sperling, a senior economic adviser in the Clinton White House, are particularly popular.
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, who calls himself the former president's ideological heir, said, "He's brilliant, both on policy and politics."
"We'll talk about where we are on some issue, and maybe this is the way to deal with it," Mr. Lieberman said.
Representative Richard A. Gephardt said Mr. Clinton had helped with "the whole construct" of his campaign.
Mr. Gephardt added: "He always said to me, `One of your advantages is your experience,' and he said, `That's something you obviously need to talk about and make an asset, not a negative.' "
When Gen. Wesley K. Clark, a fellow Arkansan, entered the campaign in September, the re-emergence of Clinton loyalists like Bruce Lindsey fueled speculation that Mr. Clinton and his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, were backing General Clark as a way to stop another candidate, Howard Dean. General Clark said the Clintons had encouraged him to run, but the Clintons have said they would not endorse anyone in the primaries.
Moreover, the Clintons have said positive things about many of the candidates, leaving General Clark to compete for a public blessing. His campaign did some elaborate planning last month to have Mr. Clinton issue a one-sentence tribute to General Clark to rebut Slobodan Milosevic at the former Yugoslav president's war-crimes trial in the Hague.
General Clark said that Mr. Clinton had helped him make the transition from the military to politics. "The biggest thing is in terms of dealing with people who question you," General Clark said.
He said Mr. Clinton had also advised him that "you have to have positive energy in the campaign, you have to fight hard but you don't want to get negative."
A Clinton friend, Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the television producer who with her husband, Harry Thomason, made the campaign video "The Man From Hope" for Mr. Clinton in 1992, has made the similar "American Son" for General Clark.
Last week, the Clark campaign became the first with a commercial that included a picture of Mr. Clinton, though Mr. Gephardt noted that he was the first to refer to Mr. Clinton in a commercial, in September.
When Mr. Lieberman heard about the Clark commercial, he sounded a bit miffed that he had been beaten to the punch.
"Has President Clinton now become public property so that we can do it without his permission?" Mr. Lieberman asked reporters in a conference call.
Even Dr. Dean, who has made statements perceived as critical of Mr. Clinton, mentioned the former president and his wife in an interview: "I talk to both him and the senator fairly frequently."
Dr. Dean added: "Sometimes they call me, but it's usually me calling them. Sometimes I ask Hillary for advice on how she would respond to some stuff. He and I talk about strategy and the campaign."
Three of the candidates, Dr. Dean, General Clark and Carol Moseley Braun, followed in Mr. Clinton's footsteps last week, going to South Carolina for the New Year's retreat of movers and shakers known as the Renaissance Weekend.
"Clinton remains a protean force in the Democratic Party," said Thomas Mann, an expert on politics at the Brookings Institution.
"All of the candidates would like to emulate his success and to contrast the economic success of the 90's with what Bush has done," Mr. Mann said.
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To: BureaucratusMaximus
ROTFLMAO!!
21
posted on
01/05/2004 11:37:19 AM PST
by
Coop
(God bless our troops!)
To: zing ding
"Clinton remains a protean force in the Democratic Party," said Thomas Mann, an expert on politics protean: "having a varied nature or ability to assume different forms"
In plain English, a pathological liar and unprincipled con artist who changes his position to whatever polls the best. A fitting role model for the Democratic Party, indeed.
22
posted on
01/05/2004 11:38:03 AM PST
by
Argus
To: RichInOC
To back that up I shamelessly post the following.
Billary
It was indeed the darkest time,
We barely made it through.
The blame for this I place upon,
Your cronies and yes you.
Eight years of you and Hillary,
Were more than we could bear.
You stopped air traffic needlessly,
While someone cut your hair
I wish youd show a little class,
And get out of my face.
But one good thing is those you help,
Most often lose their race.
So hang around and lend support,
To those who would enslave us.
As tired as I am of you Bill,
You really helped Gray Davis.
Conspiracy Guy 10/24/03
23
posted on
01/05/2004 11:39:14 AM PST
by
Conspiracy Guy
(No words were harmed during the production of this tagline.)
To: will1776
He wuz
THIS FELLER. At least, according to him. I'm assuming it's the same guy, but it might be another troll. After awhile all ignorance starts to blur together...
To: zing ding
"Clinton remains a protean force in the Democratic Party," Yeah, amoebic.
25
posted on
01/05/2004 11:39:25 AM PST
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
To: will1776
Is that Viking Kitty for ping?![](http://www.lolfun.com/funny_pictures/cat_mouse/Catmouse_jpg.jpg)
Nope, that's Viking Kitty for "PULL!!".
26
posted on
01/05/2004 11:39:55 AM PST
by
Jonah Hex
(If repetition wasn't a good thing, why would people get married?)
To: Billthedrill
...someone really should come up with a composite of this serial troll. I think if we post his picture on enough threads, sooner or later we're gonna' catch him.
To: zing ding
Oh puh-leeeaze. Serious Dem politicians avoid the bent one like the plague because he's political poison and his wife is darned near as bad.
28
posted on
01/05/2004 11:45:25 AM PST
by
cake_crumb
(UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
Comment #29 Removed by Moderator
To: BureaucratusMaximus
ROTFLMBO!! That is so perfect!!
30
posted on
01/05/2004 11:49:23 AM PST
by
4mycountry
(If you're reading this tagline you have way too much time on your hands.)
To: Billthedrill
That guy admitted to be Timmy. Everything after this point is JimRob's listing of names the holiday troll has used. Notice Timmy isn't mentioned.
Just to show you what we're dealing with here:
normal conservative is aka:
a simple bush conservative, still hungover, RB Jones, conservative till I die, Benjamin Franklin II, feliz anos, help me help me, feliz anos nueva, God bless mom dad and the GOP, i am the newbie, didnt do it, broken glass bush voter, band or suspended, auld lang freeper, nolongerforsale, andthatsthewayitis, going around, some are new, always be together, chazzz, santa claus is coming, blessmomdadandrushlimbaugh, its all good, the big ship, gorelost get overit, GW Bush 4ever, ghost of ghost, ancient yuletide carol, walking in freeper wonderland.
impeach george w bush, the season to be jolly, the season to be jolly, tra la la la la la la la la, good tidings to you, ding a ling hear them ring, good tidings to you, good tidings to you, sleigh bells jingling, a merry little christmas day, OhByGolly HaveaHollyJollyXmas, its the best time of the year.
OK Im a liberal so sue me, all is calm all is bright, sober warning, Paul Johntown, those silver wings, zzzzzzzz, the attorney, admittedly an opposing view, Joe Millionaire, i know what you did, pecan stuffing and punkin pie, HappyThanksgiving FreeRepublic, raisin bran, merry go round, Lincoln Logs, CC Bonnocco.
patdor just got banned, patdor, cant stand government, KarlCo, Peter B Southwick, Roger Fu, pueblo oro, true advocate, its your constituion, only a newbie, groob, darbo, twittle, K V Jones, Sammons, Ken Masters, standing up for liberty, let us be free, an old friend, better than this, indignant and outraged, Theodore Hassell, Paul Flesch, quien hace pedo, tappers, how1in, Red Dillon, Conservative Bush Fan, conservative forever, Franky P, circles, soaring, contributor, zubar, okayok.
unchosen by the best, bepo, Parker Q, so lame, cancelled, TampaBay 2003 Super Bowl Champ, bush put food on my family, Miracle on Freeper Street, Dreaming of FreeRepublic Xmas, ashcroft knows at christmas, boiled mondongo, harmonious, tim leary, liberty1000, rupture, canceltheorder, Freepers for Bill McBride, enron america, etc, etc, etc.
His list of name goes on and on. Can you say obsessed?
Here are some of his recent zottings:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1051422/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050388/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050320/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050061/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050037/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1050017/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1049239/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1048761/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1048709/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1048055/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1046099/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1043505/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1041610/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1041481/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1041422/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1033744/posts
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posted on
01/05/2004 11:50:28 AM PST
by
WinOne4TheGipper
(Oklahomans: If you're related to some of them, you're related to all of them.)
To: zing ding
I wish the editors would include a pronounciation key whenever there's a possible doubt.
For instance, it's spelled "Bill", but pronounced "S$%thead".
32
posted on
01/05/2004 11:52:23 AM PST
by
Hank Rearden
(Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
To: BureaucratusMaximus
LMAO! can i steal this? i have relatives who really need to see this graph! lol
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posted on
01/05/2004 11:54:54 AM PST
by
suzyq5558
(Deenie has no claim to national leadership. but he does claim lots of theory conspiracies!)
To: will1776
Dang...this is clearly not rational behavior, but then we knew that, didn't we? I mean, it isn't as if the guy is cracking the NSA here...
To: zing ding
He left office nearly three years ago as one of the most successful Presidents ever, A great example of the use of "The Big Lie". Tell it often enough, and it becomes true.
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posted on
01/05/2004 12:01:29 PM PST
by
narby
(McGovern lost in 72 - and launched the left's takover of the Dem party)
To: zing ding
They say the former president always seems eager to talk politics, and one says the former president sometimes seems to relish the calls as an excuse not to work on his memoirs. Why write them? I have already been paid and I dare those Simon and Schuster wussies to come after me, me, me, me.
36
posted on
01/05/2004 12:03:09 PM PST
by
hattend
(Mr Bush, the Supremes upheld CFR...what's your plan B? Too late to veto, now)
To: Admin Moderator; All
Am I missing something here? Experience tells me that zing ding is a troll but why did 'it' get zotted and banned? Just for posting a NY Times article?
Just asking.
To: leadpenny
See #31.
To: Admin Moderator
I went right by that. Thanks.
To: zing ding
"Yes, young troll, your feeble skills are no
match for the power of the right side."
40
posted on
01/05/2004 12:13:47 PM PST
by
Johnny Gage
(It is better to have a horrible ending... than to have horrors without end.)
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