Help Block The Rove Amnesty Plan In Congress, Contact These Congressmen

Pubbie | 1/04/04 | Pubbie

[lonewacko_dot_com]

"If that offends you, go somewhere else."

It doesn't bother me that much that most of their workers appear to be mainly Spanish speakers. What bothers me is that there appears to be a bit of segregation (whether self-segregation or not) going on.

I've gone to the El Pollo Locos (http://elpolloloco.com/) in Atwater and Glendale dozens of times. I might have seen one or two "Anglos," one or two blacks, and the aforementioned Armenian, working there. That's it. Why is that? Don't whites or blacks apply to work at those locations? Are they discouraged from applying? Do they find it difficult to work there for, oh, one reason or another?

[Luis Gonzalez]

The extension of 245i was merely a procedural issue, it was never pushed through. It involved a change in the penalty for being here illegally.

The point is that few here are asking themselves why all the suddenly the left (Washington Post) is so hot to trot on an issue that they seldom paid any attention to in the past?

Could it possibly have something to do with the upcoming elections?

I know some illegal immigrants as well, and lots and lots of native-born Americans who think worse of this country than any one of the illegal immigrants do.

All in all, the solution to this issue is complex, and the roots of the problem are not advertised.

Americans overall want less legal immigration, yet, we are giving birth at way below the replacement rate, and killing a million fetuses yearly to boot.

We also want low taxes, low prices on consumer goods, and tons of services.

Our population is aging, just like in Europe. There, they are repopulating themselves with Muslims, we have Mexico, and the Hispanic Americas. I'll take Hispanics over Muslims any day of the week.

One last thing.

The baby boomers are starting to retire at an astounding rate, we cannot maintain the worker to retiree ratio needed to float the SSA any longer, and the birth facts listed above are adding to our inability to maintain these ratios at pre-millenium levels.

If these figures continue at their predicted rates, we could feasibly allow the entire working age population of Mexico into the U.S. by the year 2050, and still not maintain the SSA viable vis a vis the current worker to retiree ratio.

Eye opening reading material.

Most here like to call me a troll, but I insist that until we understand the roots of this issue, we will never find a solution.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Racist"?

This proposal only impacts people who have returned to Mexico!

Why the hell do I even bother?

[Luis Gonzalez]

For what it's worth, here are some organized thoughts on the subject of illegal immigration.

[Travelgirl]

Tancredo is a nut.

Tancredo is NOT a nut. He will get my write-in vote for President.

[dagnabbit]

[Travelgirl]

Before you do anything, you should actually SEE the proposed actions, not take the word of an virulently liberal, anti-Bush rag like the Compost.

We did that with campaign finance reform and then it was too late. We don't want to take that chance on amnesty.

[TheDon]

Really. This is ridiculous. Perhaps we should wait and hear the actual proposal.

An amnesty can make sense, if certain other actions are taken first.

[dagnabbit]

I think writing in Tancredo is vitally important in the Republican primary and caucus season.

While Bush is obviously going to be the nominee, a noticable vote against his craven open-borders pandering, may help drive the point home that the base ain't happy with his antics.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

""Racist"?
This proposal only impacts people who have returned to Mexico!"

Anything that the Norteamericanos do that's not what Vicente wants will be portrayed as racist/mean-spirited/dog-kicking by Vicente's friends in the CA legislature, the Spanish-language media, the L.A. Times, and at various institutions of higher learning.

See, for instance, some of the quotes at www.vdare.com/awall/saltillo.htm

“Xenophobia divides the legislators” - newspaper headline

"Another Chihuahua legislator, Victor Hugo Estala, called U.S. immigration policy “xenophobic, de-humanizing and racist.”"

Many more examples can be provided on request.

[dagnabbit]

An amnesty can make sense, if certain other actions are taken first.

Other actions:

1. Pitch the Constitution in the trash.
2. Rename country "North American Central Zone"
3. Flag redesign and "Zone" anthem contests
4. Public relations media campaign describing latin-american-style corruption and chaos as "diversities to be celebrated"
5. Prepare for permanent Democratic Party majority as Dem-voting hispanic numbers skyrocket (check out TX in the 2000 county-by-county election map).
6. Kiss remaining decent public school districts goodbye.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: Our population is aging, etc.

Very, very well stated -- and points up exactly IMO the problem in this whole issue.

Honesty.

This "migration" is not just happening. There is a reason, many reasons actually. My displeasure is not so much with the ILLEGALS (though letting it get out of hand angers me) -- it's with our ruling class of both Parties. They are not honest about this.

One reason for both Parties support is certainly concern for who is going to pay the taxes? I remember news of studies from both Parties that said the young would be paying more than 80 percent in taxes. Fat chance. So why can't the politicians come out and state frankly what you have said?

The other reasons are a bit uglier such as preventing revolution in Mexico, forced migration by a corrupt government, our businesses' insatiable appetite for cheap, docile labor, and more plus the small number of Aztlan nuts.

I don't think the W-P is trying to stir up anything, Dem rats would go even further that the President.

I would oppose any attempt to lessen the requirements of citizenship for those who choose to become Americans.

[JackelopeBreeder]

Thanks, best laugh I've had in a long time, though the hole in my chest wishes you hadn't.

[Wild Irish Rogue]

" The point is that few here are asking themselves why all the suddenly the left (Washington Post) is so hot to trot on an issue that they seldom paid any attention to in the past?"

The WP article-(without any sources,just Republican "officials") was just a rehash of the Washington Times article a few weeks ago. But,what both articles had in common,was that nowhere in either article was there any mention of amnesty. Maybe one is required to wear special 3 D type glases to see the hidden messages about amnesty in the articles. This quote from Tom Ridge, from his Q&A, always gets overlooked in the white hot fever to accuse President Bush of granting amnesty to illegal aliens -

''I'm not saying make them citizens,'' Ridge said. ``They violated our laws to get here. You don't reward that kind of conduct.''

[FITZ]

Of course there are guidelines, and proof MUST be offered before qualifying for payment.

How do you proved you stold a Social Security number 30 years ago --- and what if 5 other guys are claiming that it was they who stold it -- not you? If 6 people get together and claimed each one worked only 2 years for a stolen Social Security number that was used illegally 12 years by only one --- how do you prove they didn't? If someone claims that they stold your Social Security number and it was really them working some of that time when it never really was stolen and only you used it --- that can't be proven ---- especially if you are a dead guy when this happens -- you won't be there to deny it.

There was massive fraud in the 80's amnesty ---- because the undocumented really have no proof.

[Joe Hadenuf]

LOL! Good one.

[Richard-SIA]

I say they forfeited their claim when they made no effort to help keep the illegals out.

Facilitating a felony IS a felony, so facilitating this invasion should also have consequences.

At the least we must subtract the cost of pandering to, and incarcerating, the invaders from the potential funds.
If we do that Mex. will owe US billions!

[lewislynn]

just like in Europe. There, they are repopulating themselves with Muslims,

The Muslims in Europe are there illegally?

[FITZ]

Americans overall want less legal immigration, yet, we are giving birth at way below the replacement rate, and killing a million fetuses yearly to boot.

I'm against abortion and all that -- but I don't think we're way below replacement rate --- I think we reached an equilibrium. We're the fastest growing country now by far in population growth --- because of immigration --- but do we need cities like Los Angeles, New york, Chicago, Houston growing rapidly? Do we need all our small towns turned into big cities?

High birth rates haven't helped some countries --- like Mexico for example and many of the African countries. It seems that China with it's one-child policy ---- that's way below replacement rate --- is the country that's pulling ahead the fastest.

[txdoda]

But,what both articles had in common,was that nowhere in either article was there any mention of amnesty. Maybe one is required to wear special 3 D type glases to see the hidden messages about amnesty in the articles.>>>>>>>

Don't know which 'Times 'article you refer to but in this W-P it looks like they *spin* amnesty into "mechanism". Any illegal that is allowed to remain in the USA & become *legal* (or *whatever* they're calling it that day) is receiving an amnesty. This also allows then to *legally* line-jump ahead of those waiting to imm. here legally.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52647-2004Jan3.html

(from W-P article)"It also includes a mechanism for some undocumented residents to continue working in the United States and get on a path to legal status."