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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The extension of 245i was merely a procedural issue, it was never pushed through. It involved a change in the penalty for being here illegally.

The point is that few here are asking themselves why all the suddenly the left (Washington Post) is so hot to trot on an issue that they seldom paid any attention to in the past?

Could it possibly have something to do with the upcoming elections?

I know some illegal immigrants as well, and lots and lots of native-born Americans who think worse of this country than any one of the illegal immigrants do.

All in all, the solution to this issue is complex, and the roots of the problem are not advertised.

Americans overall want less legal immigration, yet, we are giving birth at way below the replacement rate, and killing a million fetuses yearly to boot.

We also want low taxes, low prices on consumer goods, and tons of services.

Our population is aging, just like in Europe. There, they are repopulating themselves with Muslims, we have Mexico, and the Hispanic Americas. I'll take Hispanics over Muslims any day of the week.

One last thing.

The baby boomers are starting to retire at an astounding rate, we cannot maintain the worker to retiree ratio needed to float the SSA any longer, and the birth facts listed above are adding to our inability to maintain these ratios at pre-millenium levels.

If these figures continue at their predicted rates, we could feasibly allow the entire working age population of Mexico into the U.S. by the year 2050, and still not maintain the SSA viable vis a vis the current worker to retiree ratio.

Eye opening reading material.

Most here like to call me a troll, but I insist that until we understand the roots of this issue, we will never find a solution.

82 posted on 01/04/2004 9:43:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
RE: Our population is aging, etc.

Very, very well stated -- and points up exactly IMO the problem in this whole issue.

Honesty.

This "migration" is not just happening. There is a reason, many reasons actually. My displeasure is not so much with the ILLEGALS (though letting it get out of hand angers me) -- it's with our ruling class of both Parties. They are not honest about this.

One reason for both Parties support is certainly concern for who is going to pay the taxes? I remember news of studies from both Parties that said the young would be paying more than 80 percent in taxes. Fat chance. So why can't the politicians come out and state frankly what you have said?

The other reasons are a bit uglier such as preventing revolution in Mexico, forced migration by a corrupt government, our businesses' insatiable appetite for cheap, docile labor, and more plus the small number of Aztlan nuts.

I don't think the W-P is trying to stir up anything, Dem rats would go even further that the President.

I would oppose any attempt to lessen the requirements of citizenship for those who choose to become Americans.

92 posted on 01/04/2004 10:21:26 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: Luis Gonzalez
" The point is that few here are asking themselves why all the suddenly the left (Washington Post) is so hot to trot on an issue that they seldom paid any attention to in the past?"

The WP article-(without any sources,just Republican "officials") was just a rehash of the Washington Times article a few weeks ago. But,what both articles had in common,was that nowhere in either article was there any mention of amnesty. Maybe one is required to wear special 3 D type glases to see the hidden messages about amnesty in the articles. This quote from Tom Ridge, from his Q&A, always gets overlooked in the white hot fever to accuse President Bush of granting amnesty to illegal aliens -

''I'm not saying make them citizens,'' Ridge said. ``They violated our laws to get here. You don't reward that kind of conduct.''

94 posted on 01/04/2004 11:26:20 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Luis Gonzalez
just like in Europe. There, they are repopulating themselves with Muslims,

The Muslims in Europe are there illegally?

98 posted on 01/04/2004 11:48:32 PM PST by lewislynn
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Americans overall want less legal immigration, yet, we are giving birth at way below the replacement rate, and killing a million fetuses yearly to boot.

I'm against abortion and all that -- but I don't think we're way below replacement rate --- I think we reached an equilibrium. We're the fastest growing country now by far in population growth --- because of immigration --- but do we need cities like Los Angeles, New york, Chicago, Houston growing rapidly? Do we need all our small towns turned into big cities?

High birth rates haven't helped some countries --- like Mexico for example and many of the African countries. It seems that China with it's one-child policy ---- that's way below replacement rate --- is the country that's pulling ahead the fastest.

99 posted on 01/04/2004 11:50:23 PM PST by FITZ
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