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Mirror ^ | 1-3-04 | Edwards, Smith, Knight

Posted on 01/03/2004 12:02:22 PM PST by doug from upland

Edited on 01/03/2004 4:48:16 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SHE BOMBER

Jan 3 2004

By Jeff Edwards, Justine Smith And Dawn Knight

A BA flight to Washington was cancelled at the last minute yesterday after an intelligence tip-off that a woman suicide bomber planned to blow up the plane over the US capital.

It was the third day running that a major security scare had hit the afternoon Flight 223 service from Heathrow to Washington.

US security services told Scotland Yard the woman - almost certainly linked to al-Qaeda - intended to hide eight to 12 ounces of plastic explosive in her vagina. She would then go to the toilet during the Boeing 747 flight, remove the material and detonate a blast that would down the aircraft.

A senior Yard source told the Daily Mirror: "Smuggling a bomb on to a plane by this method is one of our worst nightmares.

"If you do not have specific information about the suspect, it would be impossible to carry out an intimate body search of every female passenger."

The source said intelligence information indicated only that an attack was planned for "sometime over the holiday period".

Apparently, a particular BA flight number was at risk. The source added: "Because the intelligence did not identify a passenger by name, it was decided to disrupt the plot by cancelling the flights."

Defence analyst Paul Beaver said: "We have got intelligence, I am told, that there was a plan to take the aircraft and destroy it over Washington or fly it into something."

Yesterday's cancellation of the 3.05pm London-Washington service came less than two hours before take-off time.

BA had already checked in most of the 180 passengers for a plane that can take 490 when full. After advice and deliberation, the firm aborted flight 223 at 1.15pm.

The same flight had been grounded on Thursday after the US intelligence was passed to the Yard.

And on Wednesday, the afternoon service to Washington was escorted in to Dulles airport by F-16 fighter jets. The pilot was ordered to taxi to a spot far from the terminal, where the terrified 247 passengers were detained for three hours without being told why. Security officers questioned travellers, paying particular interest to a woman who appeared Arabic. Nobody was arrested.

Fears of another September 11 attack have heightened in recent weeks and prompted controversial British government plans to put armed air marshals on some flights.

Yesterday BA apologised to passengers who had checked in for the inconvenience, but did not tell them of the specific threat.

A statement said: "Following the latest advice from the UK Government received this afternoon, British Airways has cancelled today's flight BA223 from London Heathrow to Washington due to security reasons.

"It is expected that other flights across the British Airways network will operate as normal today."

Keith Holeman, 47, trying to get home to Alabama via Washington after a holiday in the UK with his wife and children, said: "We've been given no extra information, and we don't know what we're risking."

Defence expert Beaver spoke of a "real threat" as news emerged of the latest flight 223 scare. He said: "This is certainly unusual. The intelligence is very, very precise, which is why this one flight has been cancelled.

"Washington is the definite target. All I know is there is a real and definite threat."

Mr Beaver said al-Qaeda was known to have cells in America and one in Europe, either in London or Paris. The US revealed more details about the drama at Dulles early on New Year's Day as flight 223 passengers were kept on the runway following the fighter escort.

A security official said the decision was based on facts, not just suspicions over passenger names. He said: "We had concerns with individuals on the flight, but threat-reporting information led us to make the decision to have the flight escorted.

The official stressed it was "fact-related" and not just connected to the passenger list the US now receives from airlines flying in.

An Aeromexico flight from Mexico City to Los Angeles, believed numbered 223, had also been cancelled after US authorities refused to allow it to land.

Passengers from Thursday's aborted trip were transferred to alternative flights, but only after rigorous security screening.

Three Air France flights from Paris to Los Angeles were cancelled just before Christmas over fears of an al-Qaeda hijack plot. However one of the suspicious names on the passenger list which triggered alarm turned out to be a Welsh insurance agent.

Another, feared to be a Tunisian terror leader, was in fact a child.

A third was an elderly Chinese woman and the other three were French citizens.

BA was yesterday struggling to find alternative transport for the passengers left stranded in London. William Mallett, 38, his wife, Cathy Lewis and their son Jack, from Ashford, Middlesex, were making their way through passport control as the news came.

Mrs Lewis said: "The staff said they wouldn't be checking us in unless there was a very good chance the flight was going to go."

Mr Mallett, a transport consultant now living with his family in Arlington, Virginia, said: "I have been telling myself that if they are paying attention to this flight in particular, that is a good thing.

"But if there was a terrorist aboard would they shoot us down?"

Some stranded passengers were told BA could not accommodate them all.

A letter from the airline to travellers trying to check in at Heathrow on a later flight said: "Please accept sincere apologies for the disruption to your travel arrangements.

"We have prioritised passengers who were booked on the cancelled BA223 yesterday (Thursday)."

The British Airports Authority said there did not appear to be a problem with flight 223 passengers, but the flight itself.

A spokeswoman said: "It's the scheduled flight, not the passengers, that is causing the security delays." Today's BA flight from Heathrow to Saudi capital Riyadh and the return trip have been scrapped for security reasons.

Home Secretary David Blunkett held talks with US Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge yesterday to discuss ways to minimise disruption on flights to America.

The Home Office said the talks had been "very useful", but no specific plans had emerged during the telephone conversation.

-A CHILEAN was removed from a Madrid-Luton flight on Thursday night after he started talking loudly about the "end of the world".

He was later found with two penknives which had escaped screening detection. The man was taken into custody for questioning. The flight took off at 10.30pm, an hour later than scheduled.

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To: HighWheeler
oh, damn, you're right!
401 posted on 01/03/2004 11:13:33 PM PST by King Prout (oh, finding your "core values" in the latest poll, are you, Mr. Dean?)
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To: King Prout
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402 posted on 01/04/2004 1:02:51 AM PST by kimmie7 (Chuck a chunk of change to FR today!)
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To: Taffini
I want to know what 12 oz of this explosive looks like.

While the photo of the test wasn't well documented, there was a posting of what
happens when (IIRC) FOUR ounces of Semtex was exploded in an old 747 pressurized
as it would be at operating pressures.

Blew the fuselage apart. Surely would have been loss of all souls if it
had happened at 30,000 ft with a loaded plane.

While we might scoff at this concept...ask yourself...where DO Islamic
terrorist come from? About the only "power" a Muslima has is her reproductive
capacity and being a terrorist. That's the sort of enlightened Eighth-Century thinking
prevalent to observant Muslims. (thank G-d most are effectively apostate, hence peaceable!)

And if you were on the California campus I'm on and had to occassionally endure
the p-ssed-off looks that some of our local Muslimas seem to always have on their faces
(note: some do seem to be conventionally happy), you'd not be suprised at the concept
that some would use any of their body parts to kill some infidels like you and I.

And I'd have no doubt that they'd give thanks to Allah while dying in the act.
403 posted on 01/04/2004 1:07:13 AM PST by VOA
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To: 88keys
Suspect?

I would be more concerned if it was in the New York Times.

The story is true and has been checked three ways.
404 posted on 01/04/2004 1:39:40 AM PST by NickinAM (Be Safe!)
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To: VOA
And if you were on the California campus I'm on and had to occassionally endure the p-ssed-off looks that some of our local Muslimas seem to always have on their faces . . .

Interesting. May just be me but it does seem as if many have a "Jim Jones" kind of look. As if they have been told they WILL drink the kool-aid.

405 posted on 01/04/2004 2:00:49 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: King Prout; HighWheeler
oh, damn, you're right!

No he isn't. There are 16.387 cubic centimeters to the cubic inch.

406 posted on 01/04/2004 2:01:41 AM PST by Excuse_Me
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To: MadelineZapeezda
There aint 12 ounces there.
407 posted on 01/04/2004 2:08:25 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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Not even close, according to Paula.
408 posted on 01/04/2004 2:09:49 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: leadpenny
May just be me but it does seem as if many have a "Jim Jones" kind of look.
As if they have been told they WILL drink the kool-aid.


I was trying to NOT paint with the broad-brush.
But I'm talking about one of the most ultra-tolerant, diversity-insane campus
in the USA (think Southern California...and rearrange the letters of "ACLU".)

Seriously, there are Muslimas of pleasant demeanor here.
But I'd say about 50-80% look like they'd slit your infidel throat
just on general principle.
And I'm the sort of person who tries to be friendly if at all possible...but these
Muslimas are often a sour bunch.
Haughtier and more dismissive that a lot of the hottest babes of the Greek sorority
system...honest!
409 posted on 01/04/2004 2:12:05 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
I know. I consider myself a tolerant and inclusive person. What I observe seems deeper than culture.

What is Muslimas?
410 posted on 01/04/2004 2:17:51 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
AFAIK, "Muslima" = a female Muslim.

I think the terminology is just like the term "Philippina" for a female from the Philippines.
411 posted on 01/04/2004 2:22:30 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
Thanks. What I learn around here!
412 posted on 01/04/2004 2:24:10 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: King Prout
I sent it on as well.

Thanks for answering.

Seems there are binary explosives as well - when the two different parts are put together, you then have the explosive. The fact that we've discovered items left on airplanes really worries me. Remember they think the blades that the 19 used on 9/11 were left for them by either ground crew or previous passengers.

TNT
413 posted on 01/04/2004 6:52:45 AM PST by TruthNtegrity (I refuse to call candidates for President "Democratic" as they are NOT. They are Democrats.)
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To: Dog
It would be even more impressive if everyone on the plane were part of the clever plot-- passengers and crew. If they blew up a plane over the Mediterranean or Atlantic, that would teach us infidels to respect them.
414 posted on 01/04/2004 8:03:27 AM PST by Montfort
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To: demlosers
RE: #163 & #79:

You check the women on the left, I'll check the one on the right :=)

Good luck.
She was decapitated when she suicide bombed innocent civilans in Israel recently.
Emergency workers found her head on the ground amongst the rubble.


415 posted on 01/04/2004 9:16:42 AM PST by ppaul
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To: MarkL
Maybe... That would be a greater explosive force than a hand grenade. And if it were set off in the rear lavatory, there would be a good chance of disabling the rudder and elevators.

You mean the rudder may go all wonky like American Airlines Flight 587 that crashed On 12 November 2001 just after takeoff from JFK?

416 posted on 01/04/2004 9:51:47 AM PST by Malsua
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To: Excuse_Me
I was referring to the ET quip.
417 posted on 01/04/2004 10:30:40 AM PST by King Prout (oh, finding your "core values" in the latest poll, are you, Mr. Dean?)
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To: doug from upland; NickinAM
Last night I was dubious...but the story was being reported (although more as a "rumour" I think) this a.m., so expect you are right, and it is in fact true!

(I just didn't know anything about the Mirror...and it was a bit odd the way I received the e-message about it...)

In which case, I can refrain from being "deleted" by the S.M., since it's not quite exactly a joking matter...I would just comment again on the coincidence of some of the names and "phraseology" in the article, but I guess you can't make this stuff up!

(unless there's "breaking news" later this a.m.? just got back...)

418 posted on 01/04/2004 11:21:55 AM PST by 88keys
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To: 88keys
Terrorism is my business!

I don't play games with so-called stories!

I have been in the anti-terrorism business for 32 years and don't have the arrogance most Americans have as to be so secure in thinking it can never happen to them. It has and in 1993 you ignored the attack on the World Trade Center and you had a President and I use that term loosely, that again ignored the worldwide terror threat.

Wake up for crying out loud, terrorism is here to stay and they will use any means to kill the people they hate, Westerns. That means YOU!

We have to be lucky every single day in defending against terrrorism, they, the terrorist, have to only be lucky once!

I or Doug would never joke, misinform or place lies on a web thread.

We are passionate for the protection of this world, that is why I spent time in Baghdad in solving some of our defense problems. I have just returned and as you can see we have taken a great turn in being more offensive in our actions.

Please open your eyes and understand that all of us are under threat and collectively we must gather all the information we can and supply it to authorities.

Leave no stone unturned as these people are ruthless!
419 posted on 01/04/2004 11:39:33 AM PST by NickinAM (Be Safe!)
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To: NickinAM
The guy from "Jihad Watch" was on C-Span yesterday a.m....I forget his name at the minute, but he was excellent, and it's very scary stuff. Agree that a "wake-up call" is in order, and I'm glad to know you really know your stuff, and are watching out for and educating those of us who aren't exactly "arrogant", or even "complacent", but rather maybe are just determined to persevere and make do the best we can! ("making do the best we can" is where you - and folks like you - come in...your advice is well worth heeding, so stay safe yourself, and thanks for the "heads up"!)
420 posted on 01/04/2004 12:07:36 PM PST by 88keys
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