Republicans for Illegal Immigration

Frontpage Magazine ^ | 12-29-03 | Steve Brown & Chris Coon

[Klickitat]

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[Atlantic Friend]

I can't understand why it is an issue for some politicians... How can they be against the enforcement of US law ? Am I dramatically mistaken in thinking border control is what sovereignty is all about ?

I've never had the opportunity to go to the United States, but I think the rules are roughly the same in any democracy : if you come legally and respect your hosts' lawn then no problem. If you come illegally, you simply have no right to stay, barring truly extraordinary circumstances...

[putupon]

"Borders? We don' need no steenkin' borders!"

[kcvl]

Jim Kolbe
http://www.house.gov/kolbe/suggest_box.htm


Jeff Flake
jeff.flake@mail.house.gov


John McCain
http://mccain.senate.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=Contact.Home

[OXENinFLA]

[JustPiper]

Ping and red please!

Steve Brown & Chris Coon got this one nailed!

PUT THE BLANKET ON BLANKET AMNESTY - No matter how DC wants to disguise their policies it is still AMNESTY!!!

[Atlantic Friend]

Fortunately, I don't think mass killing is the way to bring an end to self-delusion ! Germans and Japanese changed their vision of the world because the war brought the collapse of their society, that is quite true, but IMHO this collapse was also caused by the new choices they were offered. For the first time, they had other role models, and the freedom to make their own choices. Wisely, they chose to change.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

I've had a couple of Californian friends visiting Sydney over the Christmas break. They're hardcore liberals, but they voted for Schwarzenegger. The wife, because he's too rich to be beholden to special interests. The husband, because he's against issuing driver's licenses to illegals. I just wonder why the President prefers Gray Davis' stance on this, to Arnie's?

[ZULU]

There are several reasons - NONE of which justify the toleration of individuals who violate our borders.

1) There is a need for more workers - lower paid ones - in certain industries in the U.S., as well as in Nursing and high tech fields. Restaurants, farms and other businesses in the U.S. need lower paid workers.

2) The birthrate of native Americans has dropped, due to massive abortion and other socio-economic factors.

3) There is a large and growing Hispanic community in America. Republicans correctly view this community as a potential source of new voters. They INCORRECTLY view tolerance of illegal aliens coming into America as an important issue vis-a-vis native born voting Hispanic Americans and those who immigrated here legally.

4) Tom Ridge is a MEATHEAD who is in over his abilities as Homeland Security Chief, a position in which he is intellectually incapable of functioning. Along with Chrissie Whitman, Tom Keane and Colin Powell, Ridge is one Bush's WORST appointees.

5) Karl Rove. Karl Rove fancies himslef the Metternich of American politics, taking credit for the mid-term election triumph of the Republicans in COngress. It was Republican policies - policies which Rove has neglected in trying to pander to the unreachable American left - which secured those victories. Yet Rove benefitted from them in Bush's view.

6) Americans typically welcome immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants and years ago immigration rules were very loose. Many Americans view immigration, even illegal immigration, as beneficial. This is incorrect. Further, until relatively recently, the U.S. had an immigration rule which favored people coming from countries which comprised the highest percentage of individuals already in the U.S., i.e. favored British. Irish, and other northwestern European groups, and secoondarily other Europeans. This tended to stabilze the ethnic and cultural spectrum in America. When this rule was eliminated, it resulted in a massive invasion from third world countires, predominantly South and American. This is creating lanbguage problems here, among others.

7) The decadent American Christian Churches - the Catholic Church, the Methodits, the Prebyterians, the Episcopalians and Presbyterians mainly - ahve numerous "safe houses" which are, in effect, an underground railroad for brining illegals into America.

8) Local American jurisdictions like New York City and New Jersey which refuse to permit ehir law-enforcement officials to cooperate with Immigration and Naturalization in aprehending these invaders.

9) McCain is an idiot - a dangerous idiot. He gave us a moronic "Campaign Finance Reform bill, which eviscerated our First Amendment. His posture on illeglas is hardly surprising.

[Truth29]

Bush and Rove need to feel pressure or they will correctly assume that conservative illegal immigration opponents have no where to go but the GOP.

Write in Tom Tancredo in your Repubican primary, if you have one, and support the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). Go to their web site (www.fairus.org) and use their system to send a fax letter to President Bush, and the Republican leadership of the House and the Senate. Hopefully, it will then not be necessary to look for alternative candidates to Bush in the general election.

[OXENinFLA]

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/debrasaunders/ds20031229.shtml

No history, no study, no debate
Debra Saunders

The Associated Press and various newspapers reported this month that the University of California at Los Angeles' Chicano Studies Research Center released a "study" that recommended allowing California's 4.6 million non-citizens to vote in local elections.


But there was no study. There was no new research or in-depth information. There was a Latino Policy and Issue Brief written by UCLA law professor Joaquin C. Avila. The brief cited census data which found that non-citizen adults comprise large portions of California municipalities -- such as 32 percent of Los Angeles -- and then concluded that "a substantial number of persons, who contribute to our economy and our government's revenues, are being denied political representation" -- which he dubbed "political apartheid."................<snip

[Atlantic Friend]

Thanks for gearing me up on US immigration issues. I could not agree more with you, none of these reasons justify that a sovereign country like the USA renounce to border control. The need for cheaper employees shall never exceed the need for national security and cohesion, IMHO.

[DumpsterDiver]

A DHS spokesperson [Brian Roehrkasse] told Frontpagemag.com that Ridge did not mention any "amnesty" program. "The Secretary said that we've got to come to grips with reality that there are 8-13 million people and that they will have to have some sort of legal status as we go through the accounting of determining who may pose a potential threat to us.

They do not "have to have some sort of legal status". Deporting them eliminates any need to find out whether or not they "pose a potential threat to us".

DHS already knows that illegal aliens are willing to break the law. What they can't ever determine is how just how many more laws the illegals are willing to break. Give 'em the boot!

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The Republic has ended.

The government no longer serves the citizens in any way.

[Conspiracy Guy]

Wake Up

I’d like to take a moment,
I need to bend your ear.
We need to fix a broken thing,
The time to do so’s here.
America the melting pot,
It’s how we got this far.
But many want to change that now,
By lowering the bar.
No need to learn our history,
Or learn what we’re about.
Just speak your native language,
Complain we leave you out.
You have no right to be here now,
Feeding off this nation.
We need to stop the influx of,
Illegal immigration.

Conspiracy Guy 10/20/03

[ovrtaxt]

Thsi is from Frontpagemag.com. I know what you think of Horowitz, and his opinions of Trotsky are at odds with what you said.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=2132

Please clarify. Thanks.

[Klickitat]

I think our priority needs to be on providing employers with easy access to the workplace verification system so they can easily verify someones information. Then crack down hard on those who hire illegals using existing law.


Encourage congress to start cutting off federal funding to any states counties or cities that have some form of recognition for matriculas or local amnesty for illegals along the lines of what Rep. Tancredo proposed re: cutting of highway funding to Calif. if they allowed drivers licenses for illegals.

Work to prevent allowing illegals access to social benefits at any level. In most states it is already against the law, so it would be up to citizens of those states to call for their local government to cut off access illegals are getting to social services.

Punish banks or other financial institutions that recognize matriculas to establish accounts, credit, loans etc.


Put more resources on those parts of border where illegals are still crossing in large numbers.

[DumpsterDiver]

I think our priority needs to be on providing employers with easy access to the workplace verification system so they can easily verify someones information. Then crack down hard on those who hire illegals using existing law.

That program was recently expanded to include all 50 states, however, Congress did not make it mandatory that employers use the program.

Encourage congress to start cutting off federal funding to any states counties or cities that have some form of recognition for matriculas or local amnesty for illegals...

While I agree with you, I just don't see it happening.

Work to prevent allowing illegals access to social benefits at any level.

Including those aliens receiving aid solely because they have kids? It doesn't matter if the kids are also here illegally (i.e. they are not anchor babies) people don't want to see chldren suffer because of their parents' actions.

Punish banks or other financial institutions that recognize matriculas to establish accounts, credit, loans etc.

The U.S. Treasury department has already stated that they don't see any reason why banks can't accept the matriculas.

Put more resources on those parts of border where illegals are still crossing in large numbers.

I'll second that, but I believe that Bush has already made up his mind. He wants them to have legal status and I bet that's what will transpire.

Since the amnesty of 1986, I won't believe anything the feds have to say. I haven't seen any articles where they talk about more border patrol agents, have you? All their plans seem to revolve around some sort of legal status, but no mention of how they plan on keeping out the rest of Mexico/Central America/South America.

[Klickitat]

"That program was recently expanded to include all 50 states, however, Congress did not make it mandatory that employers use the program."

Yeah I know the program is currently voluntary. I'd like to see it mandatory, just as asking for ID is currently mandatory and has been for some years.

Encourage congress to start cutting off federal funding...
"While I agree with you, I just don't see it happening."

As for cutting off funding, it's up to us as citizens to push our politcians in congress on the issue, and financially support and vote for those candidates who will take action.

Work to prevent allowing illegals access to social benefits at any level. "Including those aliens receiving aid solely because they have kids?"

What aid are you referring to that is received solely because of kids?

"The U.S. Treasury department has already stated that they don't see any reason why banks can't accept the matriculas."

Then let's pass a law prohibiting it.

"Since the amnesty of 1986, I won't believe anything the feds have to say. I haven't seen any articles where they talk about more border patrol agents, have you? "

No and that's one of the problems with this whole idea. It didn't work in '86 and the mini amnesties since then, and now we have 8 to 23 million more illegals (depending on whose numbers you use) than we did back when they "solved" the problem of illegal immigration.