[Atlantic Friend]

I can't understand why it is an issue for some politicians... How can they be against the enforcement of US law ? Am I dramatically mistaken in thinking border control is what sovereignty is all about ?

I've never had the opportunity to go to the United States, but I think the rules are roughly the same in any democracy : if you come legally and respect your hosts' lawn then no problem. If you come illegally, you simply have no right to stay, barring truly extraordinary circumstances...

[Atlantic Friend]

Fortunately, I don't think mass killing is the way to bring an end to self-delusion ! Germans and Japanese changed their vision of the world because the war brought the collapse of their society, that is quite true, but IMHO this collapse was also caused by the new choices they were offered. For the first time, they had other role models, and the freedom to make their own choices. Wisely, they chose to change.

[ZULU]

There are several reasons - NONE of which justify the toleration of individuals who violate our borders.

1) There is a need for more workers - lower paid ones - in certain industries in the U.S., as well as in Nursing and high tech fields. Restaurants, farms and other businesses in the U.S. need lower paid workers.

2) The birthrate of native Americans has dropped, due to massive abortion and other socio-economic factors.

3) There is a large and growing Hispanic community in America. Republicans correctly view this community as a potential source of new voters. They INCORRECTLY view tolerance of illegal aliens coming into America as an important issue vis-a-vis native born voting Hispanic Americans and those who immigrated here legally.

4) Tom Ridge is a MEATHEAD who is in over his abilities as Homeland Security Chief, a position in which he is intellectually incapable of functioning. Along with Chrissie Whitman, Tom Keane and Colin Powell, Ridge is one Bush's WORST appointees.

5) Karl Rove. Karl Rove fancies himslef the Metternich of American politics, taking credit for the mid-term election triumph of the Republicans in COngress. It was Republican policies - policies which Rove has neglected in trying to pander to the unreachable American left - which secured those victories. Yet Rove benefitted from them in Bush's view.

6) Americans typically welcome immigrants. We are a nation of immigrants and years ago immigration rules were very loose. Many Americans view immigration, even illegal immigration, as beneficial. This is incorrect. Further, until relatively recently, the U.S. had an immigration rule which favored people coming from countries which comprised the highest percentage of individuals already in the U.S., i.e. favored British. Irish, and other northwestern European groups, and secoondarily other Europeans. This tended to stabilze the ethnic and cultural spectrum in America. When this rule was eliminated, it resulted in a massive invasion from third world countires, predominantly South and American. This is creating lanbguage problems here, among others.

7) The decadent American Christian Churches - the Catholic Church, the Methodits, the Prebyterians, the Episcopalians and Presbyterians mainly - ahve numerous "safe houses" which are, in effect, an underground railroad for brining illegals into America.

8) Local American jurisdictions like New York City and New Jersey which refuse to permit ehir law-enforcement officials to cooperate with Immigration and Naturalization in aprehending these invaders.

9) McCain is an idiot - a dangerous idiot. He gave us a moronic "Campaign Finance Reform bill, which eviscerated our First Amendment. His posture on illeglas is hardly surprising.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

The Republic has ended.

The government no longer serves the citizens in any way.

[Zipporah]

... but I think the rules are roughly the same in any democracy.

The US being a republic is different of course than a pure democracy. If you can make sense of why President Bush is beholden to Mexico, please let me know.... I expect that this is the gateway for an American EU of sorts.. In other words, to hell with our sovereignty.