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Dean & Vermont Energy Group Met in Private
AP via Yahoo News ^ | Sun Dec 28, 5:55 PM ET | JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 12/28/2003 8:02:37 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy

Dean Vermont Energy Group Met in Private

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean (news - web sites) has demanded release of secret deliberations of Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites)'s energy task force. But as Vermont governor, Dean had an energy task force that met in secret and angered state lawmakers.

Dean's group held one public hearing and after-the-fact volunteered the names of industry executives and liberal advocates it consulted in private, but the Vermont governor refused to open the task force's closed-door deliberations.

In 1999, Dean offered the same argument the Bush administration uses today for keeping deliberations of a policy task force secret.

"The governor needs to receive advice from time to time in closed session. As every person in government knows, sometimes you get more open discussion when it's not public," Dean was quoted as saying.

Dean's own dispute over the secrecy of a Vermont task force that devised a policy for restructuring the state's near-bankrupt electric utilities has escaped national attention, even though he has attacked a similar arrangement used by President Bush (news - web sites).

In an interview with The Associated Press, Dean defended his recent criticism of Cheney's task force and his demand that the administration release its private energy deliberations even though he refused to do that in Vermont.

Dean said his group developed better policy, was bipartisan and sought advice not just from energy executives but environmentalists and low-income advocates. He said his task force was more open because it held one public hearing and divulged afterward the names of people it consulted even though the content of discussions with them was kept secret.

The Vermont task force "is not exactly the Cheney thing," Dean said. "We had a much more open process than Cheney's process. We named the people we sought advice from in our final report."

Dean said he still believes it was necessary to keep task force deliberations secret, especially because the group was reviewing proprietary financial data from Vermont utilities. "Some advice does have to be given in private, but I don't mind letting people know who gave that advice," he said.

An expert in political rhetoric said it was risky for Dean to attack Bush and Cheney on an issue where he was vulnerable.

"In general, what is good for the vice president should be good for the governor. A candidate who attacks on grounds he is vulnerable is foolish," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a University of Pennsylvania professor who helps run a Web site that compares presidential candidates' rhetoric to the facts.

Dean's campaign said it was "laughable" to compare the two. "Governor Dean confronted and averted an energy crisis that would have had disastrous consequences for the citizens of Vermont by bringing together a bipartisan and ideologically diverse working group that solved the problem. Dick Cheney put together a group of his corporate cronies and partisan political contributors, and they gave themselves billions and disguised it as a national energy policy," spokesman Jay Carson said Sunday.

In September, Dean argued that the task force Cheney assembled in 2001 and the Bush energy policy that were unduly influenced by Bush family friend and Enron energy chief Kenneth Lay.

"The administration should also level with the American people about just how much influence Ken Lay and his industry buddies had over the development of the president's energy policy by releasing notes on the deliberations of Vice President Cheney's energy task force," Dean said Sept. 15.

In 1998, Dean's Vermont similar task force met in secret to write a plan for revamping state electricity markets that would slow rising consumer costs and relieve utilities of a money-losing deal with a Canadian company.

The task force's work resulted in Vermont having the first utility in the country to meet energy efficiency standards. It also freed the state's utilities from their deal with a Canadian power company, Hydro Quebec, that had left them near bankruptcy but passed as much as 90 percent of those costs to consumers. Utility shareholders also suffered some losses.

The parallels between the Cheney and Dean task forces are many.

Both declined to open their deliberations, even under pressure from legislators. Both received input from the energy industry in private meetings, and released the names of task force members publicly.

Dean's group volunteered the names of those it consulted with in its final report. While Cheney has refused to formally give a list to Congress to preserve the White House's right to private advice, known as executive privilege, his aides have divulged to reporters the names of many of those from whom the task force sought advice.

The Bush-Cheney campaign and Republican Party received millions in donations from energy interests in the election before its task force was created. Dean's Vermont re-election campaign received only small contributions from energy executives, but a political action committee created as he prepared to run for president collected $19,000, or nearly a fifth of its first $110,000, from donors tied to Vermont's electric utilities.

One co-chairman of Dean's task force, William Gilbert, was a Republican Vermont lawyer who had done work for state utilities. At the time, Gilbert also served on the board of Vermont Gas Systems, a subsidiary of the Canadian power giant Hydro Quebec.

Many state legislators, including Dean's fellow Democrats, were angered that the task force met secretly.

"It taints the whole report," Democratic state Rep. Al Stevens told AP in 1999. "I'd have more faith in that report if the discussions had been open."

Elizabeth Bankowski, who served as the other co-chair of the task force, told the legislature that the requirement the task force meet in secret "was decided in advance by the governor's office and the governor's lawyer." Dean's lawyer argued the secrecy was permitted under a 1988 legal change.

Another secrecy issue has surfaced during Dean's campaign over his decision, before leaving office as governor in January, to seal for 10 years about 145 boxes of his official papers.

Two of Dean's predecessors used executive privilege to seal roughly the same percentage of their documents, but not for so long. A conservative Washington legal group has sued to try to unseal the records.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; dean; energytaskforce; haha; howarddean
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HAHA!!!!!
1 posted on 12/28/2003 8:02:38 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
AP trying to bring down Dean. The liberal press is scared of a Dean nomination.
2 posted on 12/28/2003 8:04:32 PM PST by Sir Gawain (Don't make me slap you with my pimp hand)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
ROTFLOL! No wonder Dean has his records sealed!!

Let's see the Leftists decry this one! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

3 posted on 12/28/2003 8:06:01 PM PST by Prime Choice (Americans are a spiritual people. We're happy to help members of al Qaeda meet God.)
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To: Dog; Howlin; Miss Marple; MJY1288; prairiebreeze
Oh Gee .. ain't this special
4 posted on 12/28/2003 8:08:08 PM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Couldn't this have waited until after the nomination to come out? snicker
5 posted on 12/28/2003 8:09:29 PM PST by NeonKnight
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
You know, if the Democrats had any overt candidates with any real chance of winning in 2004 (or even their covert '04 candidates like Hillary or Gore), then I'd actually be concerned about the news media bringing Dean down before the Democratic Party convention in Boston.

But they don't have anyone who can beat Bush, not even close, so it really doesn't matter if they gang up on Howard the Family Planning Doctor Dean or not.

6 posted on 12/28/2003 8:09:32 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Dean's campaign said it was "laughable" to compare the two. "Governor Dean confronted and averted an energy crisis that would have had disastrous consequences for the citizens of Vermont by bringing together a bipartisan and ideologically diverse working group that solved the problem. Dick Cheney put together a group of his corporate cronies and partisan political contributors, and they gave themselves billions and disguised it as a national energy policy," spokesman Jay Carson said Sunday.

How long will he be able to get away with flippant responses like this?

7 posted on 12/28/2003 8:21:00 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Sir Gawain
No - I think they wanted to get it out in the open now, as opposed to in a couple of weeks when it might do damage to him in Iowa.

And for it to post at 5 on a Sunday- well - that just means that no one will see it. Probably will be about page A-10 in the Monday papers. Suprised they didn't post it at 5:00 on Friday - because no one reads anything in the Saturday papers (except freepers!).
8 posted on 12/28/2003 8:36:53 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy (now serving eastern Pennsylvania and the Lehigh Valley.......)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
You know, I checked out DU earlier, and this story actually has the liberals discombobulated a little bit. They have this cognitive dissonance thing going on since they attacked Cheney for something similar- they don't know what to make of Dean doing it. It's amusing actually.
9 posted on 12/28/2003 9:06:50 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
The DU is worried about being two faced ??

HAHAHAHAHAHA .. I've got to check this out
10 posted on 12/28/2003 9:11:44 PM PST by Mo1 (House Work, If you do it right , will kill you!)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
"While Cheney has refused to formally give a list to Congress to preserve the White House's right to private advice, known as executive privilege..."

AP can never get it right. The WH very pointedly and conspicuously refused to invoke executive privilege in this matter. Cheney kept faith with his consultants and preserved confidentiality and still beat the democrats' butt, along with their stooge in the GAO.

11 posted on 12/28/2003 11:27:59 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: MeeknMing; onyx; My2Cents; JohnHuang2; Dog Gone; Dog; isthisnickcool; OKSooner; VOA; mhking; ...
ALL --

Please see that this information gets wide spread dissemination since the Dems have been after the Cheney Energy Task Force for not revealing every last bit of info from their meetings. Once again we have the double standard.

Thanks!

PKM

12 posted on 12/29/2003 7:38:51 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; SierraWasp; Shermy
This article should bring smiles to your Capitalistic Faces this morning. It brough smiles to mine.
13 posted on 12/29/2003 7:53:36 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Kaddaffi, "I will do whatever the Americans want because I saw what happened in Iraq. ")
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To: PhiKapMom
Hypocrisy bump ! bump ! bump !


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14 posted on 12/29/2003 8:07:47 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/HitlerTraitor6.JPG)
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To: Sir Gawain
They're not the only one. The entire Dem establishment is trying to take down Dean...and I think they'll succeed. Watch out for Clark, Kerry, or Gephardt.
15 posted on 12/29/2003 8:24:53 AM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: Solson
Watch out for Clark, Kerry, or Gephardt.

Dean will not go quietly into the night. This is really going to get good. Kerry has a Dr. on staff to administer blood transfusions, The RNC has the Generals Storming Norman and Hugh Shelton in the can, ready to roll, and Gephardt, well he is just Gephardt.!!

16 posted on 12/29/2003 8:41:35 AM PST by woodyinscc
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To: PhiKapMom
Dean is a phony!

17 posted on 12/29/2003 9:11:51 AM PST by blackie
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To: Sir Gawain
The liberal press is scared of a Dean nomination.

They still have their hopes for a Hildabeast run.

18 posted on 12/29/2003 9:13:44 AM PST by alrea (let's go back to when liberalism meant gaining more freedom from central authority)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean (news - web sites) has demanded release of secret deliberations of Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites)'s energy task force. But as Vermont governor, Dean had an energy task force that met in secret and angered state lawmakers.

Can you say hypocrite?

19 posted on 12/29/2003 9:41:58 AM PST by Kaslin ("The way to dishonor a fallen soldier is to quit too early." President George W. Bush)
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To: Kaslin
I suspect that this is the least of what Howie has to hide...
20 posted on 12/29/2003 9:44:56 AM PST by mewzilla
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