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Link Between Mad Cow Disease and Human Deaths Questioned (BSE May Not Cause nvCJD)
WebMD ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | By Salynn Boyles

Posted on 12/25/2003 1:28:53 PM PST by Pubbie

Mad cow disease strikes fear into the hearts of meat lovers everywhere, and with good reason. Although slightly more than 100 deaths have been attributed to eating contaminated beef, some researchers speculate that millions of people may one day fall victim to the fatal human form of the disease as a result of eating a single tainted burger or steak.

But provocative new research questions the link between infection in cattle and that in humans. Writing in the Oct. 13 issue of the British Medical Journal, Scottish epidemiologist George Venters, MD, of NHS Lanarkshire, argues that there is no clear evidence to prove that mad cow disease can be transmitted to humans by ingesting contaminated meat products. He adds that the case for such transmission is weak.

"This will undoubtedly be controversial within the scientific community, but that is part of the point," Venters tells WebMD. "I want to prompt more appropriate explanations about what is going on here than the facile one of infection. The infectivity hypothesis is, in fact, becoming a bit threadbare."

Mad cow disease, known medically as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), was first identified among British cattle in 1986 and has since spread throughout Europe. Since the mid 1990s, scientists have become increasingly convinced that a recently identified, rapidly degenerative, fatal brain disease in humans called new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) is caused by eating the meat of infected cattle.

Venters says there may be nothing new about new variant CJD. He suggests the cases classified as such may actually have been classical CJD, which is not a food-borne illness at all.

"If you have a food-borne infection, you expect the number of cases to rise at the same rate as the population was exposed to the infection," Venters says. "That has not happened here. People try to explain this by saying there may be a long incubation period, but the fact is that you have had cases occurring for seven or eight years now and the numbers have not been increasing."

Venters calls new variant CJD "the epidemic that never was," because its numbers have not increased dramatically in the years since it was identified. Using established research methods, Venters says he could find no direct evidence that the infectious proteins known as prions, which cause BSE in cattle, are infectious to humans.

"It is unlikely that human beings who eat prions from other species are likely to get infected, because our own defenses are well enough organized to digest or to destroy these prions," he says.

But prion researcher Robert B. Petersen, PhD, disagrees and says while some of Venters' assumptions may seem valid on paper, they just don't reflect what is going on. Petersen says studies have shown that the molecular signatures of BSE and new variant CJD are virtually identical. And animal studies have confirmed the pathological similarities of the two diseases. Petersen is an associate professor of pathology at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University and is chief scientific officer for a company working to develop a diagnostic test for BSE.

Petersen tells WebMD that by looking at all the features of the disease, it's clear that there are different types of CJD. The new variant CJD doesn't appear to be like anything that occurred before doctors started to study BSE.

People may argue that by now, doctors should be seeing more people sick with variant CJD, Petersen says. But in order to make such an assumption, scientists have to know a lot more about the disease than they do today, such as how long it takes to show signs of the disease after becoming exposed to it. That period of time could be anywhere from 10 to 60 years, Petersen says. "We just don't know at this point."

Similarly, there is no way to know whether an epidemic of new variant CJD will occur in years to come among people who may have already been infected, he says.


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To: ProudToBeGOP; torstars
BSE prions have never been discovered to be present in muscle tissue. Only CNS tissue(brains, spinal columns).

I don't believe they've ever been detected in bone marrow either.

Prairie
41 posted on 12/25/2003 6:16:23 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: prairiebreeze
Not just in CNS tissue--spleen, tonsils, corneas, and, I think,in very small quantities in muscle tissue.
42 posted on 12/25/2003 6:22:10 PM PST by FollowingTheGrace
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To: ProudToBeGOP
The is an abstract of a paper that deals with CJD rather than BSE. Prions can be found in extraneural tissue in humans affected with CJD.

Title
Extraneural pathologic prion protein in sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.

Source
New England Journal of Medicine. 349(19):1812-20, 2003 Nov 6.

Abstract
BACKGROUND: In patients with sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, pathologic disease-associated prion protein (PrPSc) has been identified only in the central nervous system and olfactory-nerve tissue. Understanding the distribution of PrPSc in Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is important for classification and diagnosis and perhaps even for prevention. METHODS: We used a highly sensitive method of detection--involving the concentration of PrPSc by differential precipitation with sodium phosphotungstic acid, which increased the sensitivity of Western blot analysis by up to three orders of magnitude--to search for PrPSc in extraneural organs of 36 patients with sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease who died between 1996 and 2002. RESULTS: PrPSc was present in the brain tissue of all patients. In addition, we found PrPSc in 10 of 28 spleen specimens and in 8 of 32 skeletal-muscle samples. Three patients had PrPSc in both spleen and muscle specimens. Patients with extraneural PrPSc had a significantly longer duration of disease and were more likely to have uncommon molecular variants of sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease than were patients without extraneural PrPSc. CONCLUSIONS: Using sensitive techniques, we identified extraneural deposition of PrPSc in spleen and muscle samples from approximately one third of patients who died with sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease. Extraneural PrPSc appears to correlate with a long duration of disease. Copyright 2003 Massachusetts Medical Society

43 posted on 12/25/2003 6:29:23 PM PST by Toskrin
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To: ProudToBeGOP
My mother died this year of possible CJD (not vCJD),

CJD and vCJD are different diseases with different genetics and age of onset. vCJD is quite distinct and so far all cases have the same genotype, so those at risk may be limited. Of course its possible that the cases of vCJD that have developed so far have a genetic component that limits "early" onset (8-12 years) to one group, and development in the more diverse general population has a markedly longer incubation period, so that group has yet to develop symptoms.

Bottom line is that the link between the vCJD cases that have already developed and BSE is quite strong. The rest of the exposed population is a wild card. Maybe they are resistant and will never develop disease and maybe in 5 years there will be an epidemic.

However, why play roulette? BSE contaminated beef is clearly something to avoid and the extent of the disease in US beef is currently unknown due to a lack of testing.

44 posted on 12/25/2003 6:42:58 PM PST by torstars
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To: torstars
Your first sentence was right. The evidence isn't thin, it's non-existent. There is no evidence at all that prions jump species. BSE hasn't been linked with anything in humans.
45 posted on 12/25/2003 6:44:00 PM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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To: scouse
Would this be the same as a piece of coal and a diamond ?

No

46 posted on 12/25/2003 6:44:25 PM PST by torstars
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To: prairiebreeze
BSE prions have never been discovered to be present in muscle tissue.

Over what time frame? I think you are just talking about sensitivities of assays. Transmission of vCJD by transfusion is quite solid. The prions are almost certainly in blood, but at lower concentrations, which may just mean a longer incubation time.

47 posted on 12/25/2003 6:47:11 PM PST by torstars
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To: discostu
BSE hasn't been linked with anything in humans.

Nonsense. Prions from BSE or vCJD produce the same disease in experimental animal recipients and the prions can produce disease through serial transfer. vCJD and BSE are caused by the same bovine prions.

48 posted on 12/25/2003 6:49:55 PM PST by torstars
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To: torstars
BSE contaminated beef...

There is no such thing.

...is clearly something to avoid...

Dopey non sequitur.

...and the extent of the disease in US beef is currently unknown due to a lack of testing.

Your assertion.

You are an obvious PETA troll. Buh bye.

49 posted on 12/25/2003 6:53:25 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Pubbie
There never was any convincing evidence and likely never will be for the link but terrorism is the inculcation of fear and anybody who is willing to tell me that the good guys are winning the war right now better have one heck of a good argument.
50 posted on 12/25/2003 6:53:53 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: singsong
I know your heart's in the right place, but you might want to save it until you makes sense.
51 posted on 12/25/2003 6:56:33 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: facedown
You are an obvious PETA troll. Buh bye.

Huh? Would YOU eat BSE contaminated meat?

52 posted on 12/25/2003 6:58:52 PM PST by FollowingTheGrace
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To: torstars
Nonsense yourself. There has been no evidence of species jump from cows to human. No causal relationship between the two has been proven.
53 posted on 12/25/2003 6:59:58 PM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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To: torstars
I was referring to the same accepted scientific knowlege that Sec. of Agriculture Ann Veneman used in the USDA press conference on Tuesday, that the BSE prion hasn't ever been confirmed present in beef muscle tissue.

Prairie
54 posted on 12/25/2003 7:01:17 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: riri
That's Purdey's theory. Look at the links in one of the other posts.
55 posted on 12/25/2003 7:01:51 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: Old Professer
until you makes sense

???
56 posted on 12/25/2003 7:05:31 PM PST by singsong (Jesus the Saviour!)
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To: Toskrin
And simple stupidity is immune from criticism, but we don't stop the school buses because of it.
57 posted on 12/25/2003 7:05:59 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: torstars
You're going to have to come up with more than this to convince me that you aren't just here to impugn the argument; newbies need credentials.
58 posted on 12/25/2003 7:10:29 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: torstars
Why panic?
59 posted on 12/25/2003 7:13:24 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: singsong
Must be those smart pills I bought.
60 posted on 12/25/2003 7:16:23 PM PST by Old Professer
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