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Link Between Mad Cow Disease and Human Deaths Questioned (BSE May Not Cause nvCJD)
WebMD ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | By Salynn Boyles

Posted on 12/25/2003 1:28:53 PM PST by Pubbie

Mad cow disease strikes fear into the hearts of meat lovers everywhere, and with good reason. Although slightly more than 100 deaths have been attributed to eating contaminated beef, some researchers speculate that millions of people may one day fall victim to the fatal human form of the disease as a result of eating a single tainted burger or steak.

But provocative new research questions the link between infection in cattle and that in humans. Writing in the Oct. 13 issue of the British Medical Journal, Scottish epidemiologist George Venters, MD, of NHS Lanarkshire, argues that there is no clear evidence to prove that mad cow disease can be transmitted to humans by ingesting contaminated meat products. He adds that the case for such transmission is weak.

"This will undoubtedly be controversial within the scientific community, but that is part of the point," Venters tells WebMD. "I want to prompt more appropriate explanations about what is going on here than the facile one of infection. The infectivity hypothesis is, in fact, becoming a bit threadbare."

Mad cow disease, known medically as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), was first identified among British cattle in 1986 and has since spread throughout Europe. Since the mid 1990s, scientists have become increasingly convinced that a recently identified, rapidly degenerative, fatal brain disease in humans called new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) is caused by eating the meat of infected cattle.

Venters says there may be nothing new about new variant CJD. He suggests the cases classified as such may actually have been classical CJD, which is not a food-borne illness at all.

"If you have a food-borne infection, you expect the number of cases to rise at the same rate as the population was exposed to the infection," Venters says. "That has not happened here. People try to explain this by saying there may be a long incubation period, but the fact is that you have had cases occurring for seven or eight years now and the numbers have not been increasing."

Venters calls new variant CJD "the epidemic that never was," because its numbers have not increased dramatically in the years since it was identified. Using established research methods, Venters says he could find no direct evidence that the infectious proteins known as prions, which cause BSE in cattle, are infectious to humans.

"It is unlikely that human beings who eat prions from other species are likely to get infected, because our own defenses are well enough organized to digest or to destroy these prions," he says.

But prion researcher Robert B. Petersen, PhD, disagrees and says while some of Venters' assumptions may seem valid on paper, they just don't reflect what is going on. Petersen says studies have shown that the molecular signatures of BSE and new variant CJD are virtually identical. And animal studies have confirmed the pathological similarities of the two diseases. Petersen is an associate professor of pathology at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University and is chief scientific officer for a company working to develop a diagnostic test for BSE.

Petersen tells WebMD that by looking at all the features of the disease, it's clear that there are different types of CJD. The new variant CJD doesn't appear to be like anything that occurred before doctors started to study BSE.

People may argue that by now, doctors should be seeing more people sick with variant CJD, Petersen says. But in order to make such an assumption, scientists have to know a lot more about the disease than they do today, such as how long it takes to show signs of the disease after becoming exposed to it. That period of time could be anywhere from 10 to 60 years, Petersen says. "We just don't know at this point."

Similarly, there is no way to know whether an epidemic of new variant CJD will occur in years to come among people who may have already been infected, he says.


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To: toddst
Here are sequences and links to experimental data showing that vCJD is the same as BSE

http://w3.aces.uiuc.edu/AnSci/BSE/Prion_Species_Comparisons.htm
21 posted on 12/25/2003 4:56:54 PM PST by torstars
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To: fella
Thank you for posting Purdey's link- you beat me to it. Although he'll strike many here as an environmentalist wacko, he's truly an independent researcher. Here are two essays that summarize his thesis: part 1 and part 2. Food for thought at very least.
22 posted on 12/25/2003 5:01:33 PM PST by Lil'freeper (By all that we hold dear on this Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!)
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To: Pubbie
And keep eating Beef just like Doctor Atkins said to do because Prions probably don't survive the Human digestive tract!

Do they survive a good cooking? I like my beef bloody rare but if medium well is necessary, guess I could change.

23 posted on 12/25/2003 5:07:34 PM PST by night reader
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To: night reader
This article ignores basic knowledge of prion diseases. It is well-documented that prions survive the digestive tract. Kuru is the prime example. They also survive cooking. The variant CJD cases in Britain closely parallel the BSE outbreak. The author is right on one point - the link between meat consumption and transmission of BSE is not strong. But no one has proposed a better alternative means of transmission.

Sporadic CJD and infectious CJD can be distinguished. The initial symptoms are different, the age of onset is different, and the neuropathology is different.

"Variant" CJD is not a new disease. The symptoms of infectious CJD are similar whether it was acquired from eating human brains, from pituitary growth hormone extracts, or in some manner from affected cows.
24 posted on 12/25/2003 5:20:19 PM PST by Toskrin
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To: Pubbie
I hear mad cow disease is related to mad democrat disease because of all the bull sperm democrats are impregnated with... pity.. the herd will be ..ugh... culled with election 2004,,,,
25 posted on 12/25/2003 5:20:48 PM PST by hosepipe
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To: Lil'freeper
Mark had a 3 part series on his research into BSE in Acres USA magazine earlier this year. Although the magazine leans to the far left in its politics it does have a tendency to come up with a fairly good amount of useful articles on practical agriculture. You just ave to winnow the chaff out. Their URL is www.acresusa.com .
26 posted on 12/25/2003 5:22:02 PM PST by fella
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To: torstars
The disease in experimental animals is the same for BSE and vCJD

And? Were talking about folding of proteins here. Have they ruled out a spontaneous conformational change in human proteins so that it resembles the BSE form?

27 posted on 12/25/2003 5:22:58 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: rmmcdaniell
Have they ruled out a spontaneous conformational change in human proteins so that it resembles the BSE form?

Maybe some sort of catalyst or enzyme needs to be present?!

28 posted on 12/25/2003 5:24:19 PM PST by riri
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To: fella
Thank you for that link, too.
29 posted on 12/25/2003 5:27:09 PM PST by Lil'freeper (By all that we hold dear on this Earth I bid you stand, men of the West!)
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To: torstars
Here are sequences and links to experimental data showing that vCJD is the same as BSE.

Thanks for taking time to provide access to the information. We need to understand what we're dealing with so good decisions are made about what's safe to eat.

30 posted on 12/25/2003 5:49:31 PM PST by toddst
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To: rmmcdaniell
Have they ruled out a spontaneous conformational change in human proteins so that it resembles the BSE form?

A spontaneous conformational change in the PrP protein is one of the main theories of where sporadic CJD comes from. The other is a spontaneous genetic mutation which makes the CJD conformation more likely.

31 posted on 12/25/2003 5:54:34 PM PST by Toskrin
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To: prairiebreeze
You are still worse off when you eat at Chi Chi's and ingest greeen onions from Mexico. 500 sick with hepatitis and 5 or more dead? Veggie lovers create more chaos
32 posted on 12/25/2003 5:55:04 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: torstars
Then why do cannibals who eat brains develop kuru?

From article...

"It is unlikely that human beings who eat prions from other species are likely to get infected...

33 posted on 12/25/2003 5:55:54 PM PST by FollowingTheGrace
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To: ProudToBeGOP
It is unlikely that human beings who eat prions from other species are likely to get infected...

vCJD (in humans) is caused by bovine prions.

34 posted on 12/25/2003 6:00:36 PM PST by torstars
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To: rmmcdaniell
Have they ruled out a spontaneous conformational change in human proteins so that it resembles the BSE form?

The genes have been sequenced from patients. All are homozygous for M at position 129. However, it is the bovine prion that causes the disease (based on animal transfer experiments).

35 posted on 12/25/2003 6:04:19 PM PST by torstars
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To: torstars
vCJD (in humans) is caused by bovine prions.

But that is precisely what the article is challenging. The evidence is thin. One would have expected a growing number of vCJD cases, but they seem to have leveled out the last few years. Perhaps it is the BSE plus something else--a genetic predisposition perhaps or some other combination of mechanisms. I have read some articles linking it to magnesium (or was it manganese :-)--can't remember if too much or too little.

36 posted on 12/25/2003 6:06:24 PM PST by FollowingTheGrace
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To: oldironsides
500 sick with hepatitis and 5 or more dead?

3 died from hepatitis from Chi Chi's. vCJD is universally fatal.

37 posted on 12/25/2003 6:06:46 PM PST by torstars
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To: ProudToBeGOP
The evidence is thin.

The evidence isn't thin. The genes have been sequenced (human, bovine, ovine, and mouse) and the assay for vCJD is quite precise.

The article is just a snow job with a bunch of "what ifs".

38 posted on 12/25/2003 6:09:27 PM PST by torstars
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To: torstars
I'm not defending the article, just pointing out that there are an awful lot of questions remaining. There does seem to be a connection, but it doesn't totally explain it. Why so few human cases considering how widespread the BSE was? Perhaps this is just the leading edge, but why have they leveled out then?

It's a horrible disease. My mother died this year of possible CJD (not vCJD), but could not be confirmed because no pathologist in the state would do an autopsy.

39 posted on 12/25/2003 6:14:49 PM PST by FollowingTheGrace
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To: Pubbie
the molecular signatures of BSE and new variant CJD are virtually identical.

Would this be the same as a piece of coal and a diamond ?

40 posted on 12/25/2003 6:15:33 PM PST by scouse
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