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Link Between Mad Cow Disease and Human Deaths Questioned (BSE May Not Cause nvCJD)
WebMD ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | By Salynn Boyles

Posted on 12/25/2003 1:28:53 PM PST by Pubbie

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To: torstars
Where are all the sick people then? I've been eating beef on this planet for upwards of 50 years. Even when only considering the time period since the 1980's there's been a helluva lot of beef consumed...without human infection patterns, trends, outbreaks seen of anykind except those known to have ingested the CNS tissue of BSE cattle in Britain.

I'm not jumping on your scare-wagon. I have a much higher likelihood of being hit by a meat-delivery truck at the grocers than acquiring BSE through beef. And on the menu for tomorrow....chili con carne.

Prairie
81 posted on 12/25/2003 8:01:40 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: Toskrin
It would seem to be reasonable here to inject the autobiography of the "inventor" of "prion":

Stanley B. Prusiner – Autobiography

My history is not atypical of many Americans: born in the midwest, educated in the East, and now living in the West. My early years were shared between Des Moines, Iowa and Cincinnati, Ohio. Shortly after I was born on May 28, 1942 in Des Moines, my father, Lawrence, was drafted into the United States Navy. I was named for my father's younger brother who died of Hodgkin's disease at the age of 24. We moved to Boston briefly where my father enrolled in Naval officer training school before being sent to the south Pacific. He served as a communications officer for the remainder of World War II on an island called Eniwetok where the first hydrogen bomb was detonated a decade later.

During my father's absence, my mother, Miriam, and I lived in Cincinnati where her mother, Mollie Spigel, also lived. Prior to moving to Cincinnati, Mollie had lived in Norfolk, Virginia, where she raised three children after her husband Benjamin was killed at age 50 in a traffic accident. Besides many special memories of my maternal grandmother, I have many fond reminiscences of my paternal grandfather, Ben, who emigrated to the United States in 1896 as a young boy from Moscow. He grew up in Sioux City, Iowa, as did my father with many other Russian Jews. Shortly after the end of World War II, we returned to Des Moines where I attended primary school and my brother, Paul, was born. In 1952, we moved back to Cincinnati with the hope that my father would be able to find a much better job as an architect. In Cincinnati, he practiced architecture for the next 25 years, which enabled him to provide a very comfortable home for his family.

During my time at Walnut Hills High School, I studied Latin for five years, which was to help me immensely later in the writing of scientific papers. But I found high school rather uninteresting and was most fortunate to be accepted by the University of Pennsylvania where I majored in Chemistry.

The intellectual environment of the University of Pennsylvania was extraordinary--there were so many internationally renowned scholars who were invariably receptive to the intrusions of undergraduate students even before the days of student evaluations of the faculty. The small size of the undergraduate student body undoubtedly contributed to the accessibility of the faculty. Besides numerous science courses, I had the opportunity to study philosophy, the history of architecture, economics, and Russian history in courses taught by extraordinarily knowledgeable professors. Although I was among the smallest of the heavyweight crew team members and thus had no chance of rowing in the varsity boat, I greatly enjoyed the many hours that I spent at this wonderful sport.

During the summer of 1963 between my junior and senior years, I began a research project on hypothermia in the Department of Surgery with Sidney Wolfson. I quickly became fascinated by the project and continued working on it throughout my senior year. I decided to remain at Penn for Medical School largely because of the wonderful experience of doing research with Sidney Wolfson. During the second year of medical school, I decided to ask Britton Chance if he would allow me to study the surface fluorescence of brown adipose tissue in Syrian golden hamsters as they arose from hibernation. Chance had reported that the surface fluorescence of other organs reflected the oxidation-reduction state of those tissues. As anticipated, large changes in the fluorescence of brown fat were found during non-shivering thermogenesis.

My research on brown fat allowed me to spend much of the fourth year of medical school at the Wenner-Gren Institute in Stockholm working with Olov Lindberg on the metabolism of isolated brown adipocytes. This was an exciting time and I began to consider seriously a career in biomedical research. Early in 1968, 1 returned to Philadelphia to complete my medical studies and to contemplate my options. The previous spring, I had been given a position at the NIH once I completed an internship in medicine. It was the height of the Vietnam war with 500,000 young Americans trying to control the spread of Communism in southeast Asia. But I was facing an internship at the University of California San Francisco (UCSF) that would require me to work every other night for an entire year, a prospect about which I was not enthusiastic. The privilege of serving in the US Public Health Service at the NIH clearly outweighed the unpleasant prospects of an internship. Although the workload was awesome, I managed to survive because San Francisco was such a nice place to live. During that year, I met my wife, Sandy Turk, who was teaching mathematics to high school students.

At the NIH, I worked in Earl Stadtman's laboratory where I studied glutaminases in E. coli. My three years at the NIH were critical in my scientific education. I learned an immense amount about the research process: developing assays, purifying macromolecules, documenting a discovery by many approaches, and writing clear manuscripts describing what is known and what remains to be investigated. As the end of my time at the NIH began to near, I examined postdoctoral fellowships in neurobiology but decided a residency in Neurology was a better route to developing a rewarding career in research. The residency offered me an opportunity to learn about both the normal and abnormal nervous system.

In July 1972, I began a residency at the University of California San Francisco in the Department of Neurology. Two months later, I admitted a female patient who was exhibiting progressive loss of memory and difficulty performing some routine tasks. I was surprised to learn that she was dying of a "slow virus" infection called Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) which evoked no response from the body's defenses. Next, I learned that scientists were unsure if a virus was really the cause of CJD since the causative infectious agent had some unusual properties. The amazing properties of the presumed causative "slow virus" captivated my imagination and I began to think that defining the molecular structure of this elusive agent might be a wonderful research project. The more that I read about CJD and the seemingly related diseases--kuru of the Fore people of New Guinea and scrapie of sheep--the more captivated I became.

Over the next two years I completed an abbreviated residency while reading every paper that I could find about slow virus diseases. In time, I developed a passion for working on these disorders. As I plotted out a course of action, the task became more and more daunting. The tedious, slow, and very expensive assays in mice for the scrapie agent had restricted progress and I had no clever idea about how to circumvent the problem. I did think that after working with the scrapie agent for some time that I might eventually be able to develop such an assay.

Since both Sandy and I liked living in San Francisco, I accepted the offer of an assistant professor position from Robert Fishman, the Chair of Neurology, and began to set up a laboratory to study scrapie in July 1974. Although many people cautioned me about the high risk of studies on scrapie due to the assay problems, such warnings did not dull my enthusiasm. To gain a base of research support from the NIH, I initially wrote grant proposals on glutamate metabolism in the choroid plexus. Such proposals were dull but were readily funded because I had worked on glutaminases earlier. Eventually, I managed to gain modest NIH support for my scrapie studies but this was not without considerable difficulty. To rebut the disapproval of my first NIH application on scrapie, I set up a collaboration with William Hadlow and Carl Eklund who were working at the Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Hamilton, Montana. They taught me an immense amount about scrapie and helped me initiate studies on the sedimentation behavior of the scrapie agent.

I had anticipated that the purified scrapie agent would turn out to be a small virus and was puzzled when the data kept telling me that our preparations contained protein but not nucleic acid. About this time, I was informed by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) that they would not renew their support and by UCSF that I would not be promoted to tenure. When everything seemed to be going wrong, including the conclusions of my research studies, it was the unwavering, enthusiastic support of a few of my closest colleagues that carried me through this very trying and difficult period. Fortunately, the tenure decision was reversed and I was able to continue my work. Although my work was never supported by HHMI again, I was extremely fortunate to receive much larger funding from the R. J. Reynolds Company through a program administered by Fred Seitz and Macyln McCarty and shortly thereafter from the Sherman Fairchild Foundation under the direction of Walter Burke. While the vast majority of my funding always came from the NIH, these private sources were crucial in providing funds for the infrastructure which was the thousands of mice and hamsters that were mandatory.

As the data for a protein and the absence of a nucleic acid in the scrapie agent accumulated, I grew more confident that my findings were not artifacts and decided to summarize that work in an article that was eventually published in the spring of 1982. Publication of this manuscript, in which I introduced the term "prion", set off a firestorm. Virologists were generally incredulous and some investigators working on scrapie and CJD were irate. The term prion derived from protein and infectious provided a challenge to find the nucleic acid of the putative "scrapie virus." Should such a nucleic acid be found, then the word prion would disappear! Despite the strong convictions of many, no nucleic acid was found; in fact, it is probably fair to state that Detlev Riesner and I looked more vigorously for the nucleic acid than anyone else.

While it is quite reasonable for scientists to be skeptical of new ideas that do not fit within the accepted realm of scientific knowledge, the best science often emerges from situations where results carefully obtained do not fit within the accepted paradigms. At times the press became involved since the media provided the naysayers with a means to vent their frustration at not being able to find the cherished nucleic acid that they were so sure must exist. Since the press was usually unable to understand the scientific arguments and they are usually keen to write about any controversy, the personal attacks of the naysayers at times became very vicious. While such scorn caused Sandy considerable distress, she and my two daughters, Helen and Leah, provided a loving and warm respite from the torrent of criticism that the prion hypothesis engendered. During the winter of 1983, I herniated a disc in my lumbar spine while skiing and this slowed the pace of my work for much of the year. After a laminectomy, I began swimming regularly, which brought relaxation and a much needed quiet time to my life.

Just prior to my back problem, the protein of the prion was found in my laboratory and the following year, a portion of the amino acid sequence was determined by Leroy Hood. With that knowledge, molecular biological studies of the prions ensued and an explosion of new information followed. I collaborated with Charles Weissmann on the molecular cloning of the gene encoding the prion protein (PrP) and with George Carlson and David Kingsbury on linking the PrP gene to the control of scrapie incubation time in mice. About the same time, we succeeded in producing antibodies that provided an extremely valuable tool that allowed us to discover the normal form of PrP. In a very important series of studies, the antibodies were used by Stephen DeArmond to study the pathogenesis of prion disease in transgenic mice. Steve brought the much needed talents of an outstanding neuropathologist to these studies. As more data accumulated, an expanding edifice in support of the prion concept was constructed. Ruth Gabizon dispersed prions into liposomes and purified scrapie infectivity on columns with PrP antibodies. Karen Hsiao discovered a mutation in the PrP gene that caused familial disease and reproduced the disease in transgenic mice while Michael Scott produced transgenic mice abrogating the prion species barrier and later artificial prions from chimeric PrP transgenes. Indeed, no experimental findings that might overturn the prion concept were reported from any laboratory. By the early 1990s, the existence of prions was coming to be accepted in many quarters of the scientific community, but the mechanism by which normal PrP was converted into the disease-causing form was still obscure. When Fred Cohen and I began to collaborate on PrP structural studies, I was again extremely fortunate. Fred brought an extraordinary set of skills in protein chemistry and computational biology to investigations of PrP structures.

As prions gained wider acceptance among scientists, I received many scientific prizes. The first major recognition of my work was accorded by neurologists with many other awards coming soon thereafter. But the most rewarding aspect of my work has been the numerous wonderful friends that I have made during an extensive series of collaborative studies. It has been a special privilege to work with so many talented scientists including numerous postdoctoral fellows and technical associates who have taught me so much. Besides the many collaborators who have contributed their scientific skills to advancing the study of prions, I have had many colleagues who have contributed indirectly to my work by being supportive of the special needs that such a project has demanded.

From Les Prix Nobel 1997.

Caution ought to persuade us that, even though the prion is new to the list of pathogenic agents known to assualt animals that the underlying condition isn't and at no time does the discoverer of this unique assailant begin to assert that the fauna of this planet is under some mysteriously new attack; all of the species shown to exhibit the "prions" are also customary food sources for humans and have been for centuries; the only thing that has changed is the relatively recent use of animal parts as supplements to the feedstock for domesticated beef.

When we start getting 2 and 3 year-old children falling over from this affliction, we will have real reason to be afraid. The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1997 Press Release Presentation Speech Illustrated Presentation Stanley B. Prusiner Autobiography Curriculum Vitae Nobel Lecture Banquet Speech Nobel Diploma Prize Award Photo Other Resources 1996 1998 The 1997 Prize in: Physics Chemistry Physiology or Medicine Literature Peace Economic Sciences Find a Laureate: SITE FEEDBACK CONTACT TELL A FRIEND PRINTER-FRIENDLY PAGE BACK TO TOP Last modified June 26, 2003 The Official Web Site of The Nobel Foundation Copyright© 2003 The Nobel Foundation

82 posted on 12/25/2003 8:23:45 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
Sorry for the error in editing;

This part was supposed to follow Prusiners autobiography:

The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine 1997 Press Release Presentation Speech Illustrated Presentation Stanley B. Prusiner Autobiography Curriculum Vitae Nobel Lecture Banquet Speech Nobel Diploma Prize Award Photo Other Resources 1996 1998 The 1997 Prize in: Physics Chemistry Physiology or Medicine Literature Peace Economic Sciences Find a Laureate: SITE FEEDBACK CONTACT TELL A FRIEND PRINTER-FRIENDLY PAGE BACK TO TOP Last modified June 26, 2003 The Official Web Site of The Nobel Foundation Copyright© 2003 The Nobel Foundation

83 posted on 12/25/2003 8:29:42 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: Mudcat
Lets see....sixty years I'll be 119 years old. I'll think I'll pass on the veggies. Give me the steak.
84 posted on 12/25/2003 8:32:38 PM PST by RightWingMama
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To: torstars
The prions are almost certainly in blood, but at lower concentrations, which may just mean a longer incubation time.

Once again if blood is a source of transmission, why do we not see a huge outbreak in BSE cases. The USDA could not cover up all the cases we would be seeing if blood was an effective transfer agent.

As I have stated on other threads, when cattle are vaccinated, dehorned, castrated, etc... needles, dehorning tools, and knives are shared between cattle; hence blood is shared. If blood is shared, there is a great risk of spreading the prions from the contaminated blood source to all the herd. One cow will infect all.

The potential would be exponential if blood was a reliable and high risk transfer agent. A long incubation time wouldn't mean squat, the number infected would dwarf any method to contain or to keep quite the infection rate.

85 posted on 12/26/2003 9:59:59 AM PST by VetoBill (Who is the actor that plays Dan Rather?)
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To: VetoBill
My apologies torstar, I just saw that you have banned or suspended. It isn't fair to throw out a question to which you can not defend.
86 posted on 12/26/2003 10:03:58 AM PST by VetoBill (Who is the actor that plays Dan Rather?)
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To: VetoBill
As I have stated on other threads, when cattle are vaccinated, dehorned, castrated, etc... needles, dehorning tools, and knives are shared between cattle; hence blood is shared. If blood is shared, there is a great risk of spreading the prions from the contaminated blood source to all the herd. One cow will infect all.

Quite frankly, anyone who shares needles between animals is not using their head. I knew someone who raised livestock and shared needles/syringes between animals, and then wondered why several of her herd tested positive for CAE.

There is no excuse to share needles, syringes, etc.

87 posted on 12/26/2003 12:22:40 PM PST by Fury
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To: VetoBill
Once again if blood is a source of transmission, why do we not see a huge outbreak in BSE cases. The USDA could not cover up all the cases we would be seeing if blood was an effective transfer agent.

There were 351 scrapie confirmed cases in FY2003 as of 09/30/2003. No epidemiologic evidence yet that scrapie poses a risk to human health.

88 posted on 12/26/2003 12:30:48 PM PST by Fury
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To: VetoBill
I don't know why torstar was suspended. They posted the gist of much of the background material that I've read over the past few years. Nothing they said was untrue. As for belonging to PETA, I didn't get that. They were advocating the testing that the USDA has been resisting.

Looks like as a newbie, they got slammed unfairly. As for your question Bill, that's the real puzzler. Why does CJD or vCJD affect some and not others? Are some more genetically inclined when exposed or do organophosphates play the role of a catalyst as Purdey claims?

Science doesn't have all the answers to this. I don't expect a huge outbreak of vCJD here. It didn't happen in Britain. I'm guessing that because of all the variables involved, only an unlucky few will end up with a vCJD bullet in the chamber when the trigger is pulled.
89 posted on 12/26/2003 12:59:42 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: Iowa Granny
Apparently being aware of what your beef has eaten and how it has been killed are two important things. The beef should have eaten no animal products and it should not have been killed with the stun thingy that pushes brain matter into the muscles.
90 posted on 12/26/2003 1:03:26 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: ProudToBeGOP
"It is unlikely that human beings who eat prions from other species are likely to get infected...

But the cows originally got it from eating feed made with sheep parts, right?

91 posted on 12/26/2003 1:05:48 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Pubbie
Someone here mentioned that one of the British victims of this disease was actually a vegetarian. I know someone interested in the information and would like to know where I could find a reference to this. Thanks!
92 posted on 12/26/2003 1:34:26 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: meatloaf
I can't tell you what caused torstar to be banned either. I can however give my own personal thoughts .

Torstar, IMHO, was a person who I believe thought the USDA was beholden to a certain subset of industry organizations; that the USDA had been in either a coverup mode or was scared to look into the BSE rich environment torstar thought infected the beef industry. How I came to this thought, and it might be wrong, was by torstars' commments such as 'the USDA has not looked very hard', 'lack of evidence is due to a lack of effort'. 'find out that the jig is up.'

The Admin Mods may have placed him/her into the undercover DU camp... government is controlled by corporate entities and we cannot trust them to undercover truths the left knows has to exist.

93 posted on 12/26/2003 2:20:10 PM PST by VetoBill (Who is the actor that plays Dan Rather?)
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To: meatloaf
Torstar, in his two weeks of being on FR had posted on two issues. 5% flu-related articles and 95% BSE. I checked his "in forum" page before he was banned.

He had an agenda to push. IMO He was troll.

Prairie
94 posted on 12/26/2003 3:17:43 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: Yaelle
"But the cows originally got it from eating feed made with sheep parts, right?"

That is what I recall reading way back when this became a problem in the UK. There also is a prionic wasting disease occurring naturally in the US in some deer and elk herds. Supposedly feces and saliva are the means of transmission which put a whole different angle on it if true.
95 posted on 12/26/2003 3:46:46 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
"WebMD is a bullsheetrock source designed to make hypochondriacs into lifetime cash cows. "

Good summary.
96 posted on 12/26/2003 3:51:16 PM PST by webstersII
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To: VetoBill
Thanks for that explanation, VetoBill.

Ed
97 posted on 12/26/2003 7:15:18 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed
Just to clarify, it is my personal observation. The real reason may be totally different. I had nothing to do with the banning. I had not yet considered him/her an opponent of the USDA or a member of an animal rights organization. I hadn't the info to make that determination yet. I had started to place torstars into an activist role.

The main difference between torstars belief and mine, as I could determine, was torstar considered the discovered BSE Holstein as 'getting lucky' or as a failure to catch all the other cases. I considered the discovery a great victory.

I believe it shows the system could and did work. Where I fault the USDA and the packers is letting the meat from the BSE cow into the food supply. Science is on the USDA's side, however we are now into a political environment; one in which science does not matter and certain organizations will pound certain emotions to the forefront.

98 posted on 12/27/2003 8:02:30 AM PST by VetoBill (Who is the actor that plays Dan Rather?)
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