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Link Between Mad Cow Disease and Human Deaths Questioned (BSE May Not Cause nvCJD)
WebMD ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | By Salynn Boyles

Posted on 12/25/2003 1:28:53 PM PST by Pubbie

Mad cow disease strikes fear into the hearts of meat lovers everywhere, and with good reason. Although slightly more than 100 deaths have been attributed to eating contaminated beef, some researchers speculate that millions of people may one day fall victim to the fatal human form of the disease as a result of eating a single tainted burger or steak.

But provocative new research questions the link between infection in cattle and that in humans. Writing in the Oct. 13 issue of the British Medical Journal, Scottish epidemiologist George Venters, MD, of NHS Lanarkshire, argues that there is no clear evidence to prove that mad cow disease can be transmitted to humans by ingesting contaminated meat products. He adds that the case for such transmission is weak.

"This will undoubtedly be controversial within the scientific community, but that is part of the point," Venters tells WebMD. "I want to prompt more appropriate explanations about what is going on here than the facile one of infection. The infectivity hypothesis is, in fact, becoming a bit threadbare."

Mad cow disease, known medically as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), was first identified among British cattle in 1986 and has since spread throughout Europe. Since the mid 1990s, scientists have become increasingly convinced that a recently identified, rapidly degenerative, fatal brain disease in humans called new variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) is caused by eating the meat of infected cattle.

Venters says there may be nothing new about new variant CJD. He suggests the cases classified as such may actually have been classical CJD, which is not a food-borne illness at all.

"If you have a food-borne infection, you expect the number of cases to rise at the same rate as the population was exposed to the infection," Venters says. "That has not happened here. People try to explain this by saying there may be a long incubation period, but the fact is that you have had cases occurring for seven or eight years now and the numbers have not been increasing."

Venters calls new variant CJD "the epidemic that never was," because its numbers have not increased dramatically in the years since it was identified. Using established research methods, Venters says he could find no direct evidence that the infectious proteins known as prions, which cause BSE in cattle, are infectious to humans.

"It is unlikely that human beings who eat prions from other species are likely to get infected, because our own defenses are well enough organized to digest or to destroy these prions," he says.

But prion researcher Robert B. Petersen, PhD, disagrees and says while some of Venters' assumptions may seem valid on paper, they just don't reflect what is going on. Petersen says studies have shown that the molecular signatures of BSE and new variant CJD are virtually identical. And animal studies have confirmed the pathological similarities of the two diseases. Petersen is an associate professor of pathology at Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University and is chief scientific officer for a company working to develop a diagnostic test for BSE.

Petersen tells WebMD that by looking at all the features of the disease, it's clear that there are different types of CJD. The new variant CJD doesn't appear to be like anything that occurred before doctors started to study BSE.

People may argue that by now, doctors should be seeing more people sick with variant CJD, Petersen says. But in order to make such an assumption, scientists have to know a lot more about the disease than they do today, such as how long it takes to show signs of the disease after becoming exposed to it. That period of time could be anywhere from 10 to 60 years, Petersen says. "We just don't know at this point."

Similarly, there is no way to know whether an epidemic of new variant CJD will occur in years to come among people who may have already been infected, he says.


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Merry Christmas Freepers - And keep eating Beef just like Doctor Atkins said to do because Prions probably don't survive the Human digestive tract!
1 posted on 12/25/2003 1:28:54 PM PST by Pubbie
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To: Pubbie
...there is no clear evidence to prove that mad cow disease can be transmitted to humans by ingesting contaminated meat products. He adds that the case for such transmission is weak.

Thanks for posting this article.
I think I'll go make more room in the freezer.

2 posted on 12/25/2003 1:35:27 PM PST by sistergoldenhair
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To: Pubbie
That period of time could be anywhere from 10 to 60 years

Upper limit is 60 years? Would this put the average range around 30-40 years then? I think I'll keep snarfing Big Macs...

3 posted on 12/25/2003 1:57:43 PM PST by Mudcat
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To: Pubbie
bump for a later read.
4 posted on 12/25/2003 2:16:48 PM PST by secret garden (Gloria in excelis Deo)
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To: Pubbie
Mark Purdey has done a lot of study on this and has come up with conclusions along the same lines. It takes awhile to go through his site but it as a lot of good information.
5 posted on 12/25/2003 2:29:27 PM PST by fella
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To: Pubbie
Although slightly more than 100 deaths have been attributed to eating contaminated beef, some researchers speculate that millions of people may one day fall victims... but scientists know nothing yet ... That period of time could be anywhere from 10 to 60 years.

To me, this sounds like a clear case of Bad Science desease (BS desease). It's certanly spreading fast. Freon, global warming, cold fusion - all examples of how trustworthy our liberal academia have become. After 60 years any age related desease can be speculatively attributed to anything. AIDS producing behaviour is glorified (20,000 deaths per year, US only) but eating just "strikes fear". But hey, I don't blame them - tax dollars for BS grants... yummmmy.
6 posted on 12/25/2003 2:53:32 PM PST by singsong (Jesus the Saviour!)
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To: Pubbie
The odds of being struck by a meat delivery truck on my way into the store to buy a roast are astronomically higher than getting CJD.

Prairie
7 posted on 12/25/2003 3:39:15 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: singsong
Dr.Robert Peterson seems to have a financial intrest in this diease. Pleas note the investment stuff

http://www.biolabs.com/priondevelopmental.html
http://www.virotek.com/efoora/
http://www.dejong.org/clients/gbi/dd/portfolio/pdl.htm
8 posted on 12/25/2003 3:41:21 PM PST by Wooly
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because Prions probably don't survive the Human digestive tract!

Then why do cannibals who eat brains develop kuru?

9 posted on 12/25/2003 3:43:22 PM PST by torstars
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To: Pubbie
The type of prion is determined by looking at pathology in animal hosts who develop disease through experimental infection. The pathology shows that BSE and vCJD are caused by the same mis-folded prion.
10 posted on 12/25/2003 3:45:42 PM PST by torstars
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It's been reported one of the CJD victims in the UK was a vegetarian. I wonder how many cases per year are seen here?
11 posted on 12/25/2003 3:47:49 PM PST by lizma
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To: torstars
The type of prion is determined by looking at pathology in animal hosts who develop disease through experimental infection. The pathology shows that BSE and vCJD are caused by the same mis-folded prion.

Yes but we all have the normal folded protein. Is it possible that the vCJD prions assumed its characteristic conformation independent of interaction with BSE prions?

12 posted on 12/25/2003 3:58:20 PM PST by rmmcdaniell
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The pathology shows that BSE and vCJD are caused by the same mis-folded prion.

Might you provide references on the pathologic research that shows what you describe?

13 posted on 12/25/2003 3:59:48 PM PST by toddst
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I am a devoted carnivore, so don't get me wrong.... I just have to say there seem to be some missing parts to this report. It is my understanding vCJD can only be documented thru the autopsy process. No mention of such after death tests here. And if the tests are not done, how many cases have been missed?

The meat I feed my family is fed on a neighbor's farm and processed at a local locker plant. Not everyone has this luxury. But for those who have the option, it is a way to be fairly certain what the livestock have been fed.
14 posted on 12/25/2003 4:12:04 PM PST by Iowa Granny
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To: lizma
I wonder how many cases per year are seen here?

Regular CJD strikes approximately one person per million in any world-wide population. It often effects the elderly and disregards socio-economic levels, race, nationality etc. and has nothing to do with diet. vCJD was a strain of CJD that showed some differences, it attacked younger people for instance, and was first diagnosed in Europe in the late '80's, when scientific evidence began to suggest a possible link between vCJD and BSE in cattle. This became a political issue in Europe that was quickly blown into a major health scare, predicting 10,000 deaths from vCJD by 2000 with another 1000-2000 new cases each year after that. But in fact, none of these dire predictions ever materialized.

To date, 137 deaths worldwide have been attibuted to vCJD since the late 1980's. Six other known cases are in people who are still living. There has never been a confirmed vCJD case in the US except for the woman who contracted the disease in Britain but came back to FL to be with her family when she died.

Prairie

15 posted on 12/25/2003 4:36:52 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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Petersen says studies have shown that the molecular signatures of BSE and new variant CJD are virtually identical.

"Virtually identical" means "different."

16 posted on 12/25/2003 4:41:53 PM PST by Eala (Sacrificing tagline fame for... TRAD ANGLICAN RESOURCE PAGE: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
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Is it possible that the vCJD prions assumed its characteristic conformation independent of interaction with BSE prions?

The disease in experimental animals is the same for BSE and vCJD.

17 posted on 12/25/2003 4:50:24 PM PST by torstars
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To: Wooly
WebMD is a bullsheetrock source designed to make hypochondriacs into lifetime cash cows.

Not to be trusted as your 'doctor on the internet'. I have had a problem with their marketing since they opened. I feel it is disingenuous to average consumers.
18 posted on 12/25/2003 4:51:13 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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"Virtually identical" means "different."

No, it means that both are quite different than CJD.

19 posted on 12/25/2003 4:53:56 PM PST by torstars
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To: Pubbie
I love articles like this. The "link" between Mad Cow Disease and human death has never even come remotely close to being established at any level beyond the paranoid ravings of people trying to sell newspapers.
20 posted on 12/25/2003 4:56:47 PM PST by discostu (that's a waste of a perfectly good white boy)
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