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The end of 'Christianity lite' is near
Edmonton Sun ^
| December 21, 2003
| TED BYFIELD
Posted on 12/21/2003 3:46:23 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: PetroniusMaximus
How that translates - Very little teaching about the grand scheme of salvation (heaven, hell, spiritual life etc...) and a whole lot of talk about how Jesus can improve your interpersonal relationships.While not trying to put a moderenst bent on it, it better translates as Let's ask the UNREGENERATE for advise on how the Saints of God should gather together to Worship Him Who They Hate.
Oh yeah, that's what i want to do! < /sarcasm>
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posted on
12/21/2003 10:54:59 PM PST
by
Calvinist_Dark_Lord
(I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper)
To: nickcarraway
Our Christmas sermon today included the most graphic descriptions of the crucifixion I've ever heard our pastor put forth. The whole sermon, in fact, corresponded almost perfectly to the point this article is making, that it's time to consider the whole reality, and not just the sugary parts.
MM
To: wardaddy
Ping on the only subject we agree on. :^)
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posted on
12/21/2003 11:22:57 PM PST
by
#3Fan
To: nickcarraway
BTTT Prayers that the author is accurate!!
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posted on
12/21/2003 11:28:19 PM PST
by
cpforlife.org
(The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
To: CARepubGal
Could you get some confirming links? Here's one: USA Today interviews Rick Warren, although that's probably not what you're looking for.
It appears Warren believes in small groups, something I've never much cared for until this year. Now I'm wondering why, previously, I was so resistent to small groups as the environment better helps us to glorify God.
The 40 days of Purpose article at the purpose driven website is an interesting read. I'm looking forward to going through this book in our small group next year.
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posted on
12/22/2003 12:38:35 AM PST
by
scripter
(Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
To: LS
The Christmas tree originated in Sweden several hundred years ago as a symbol of Christ's enduring love (the greenness) when all around us is dying. Indeed, the triangular shape of the evergreen was symbolic to these Christians of the Trinity. Plus, there is this:
Hsa 14:8 Ephraim [shall say], What have I to do any more with idols? I have heard [him], and observed him: I [am] like a green fir tree. From me is thy fruit found.
Reading the rest of Hosea 14 shows that God was saying He Himself was a fir tree.
And earlier on FR we have seen an article that showed that the Romans "stole" the December 25 date from Christians long after Christians had been celebrating it as the presumed birthdate of Jesus, contrary to the myth that later Christians took a "pagan" holiday and grafted it in their practices.
The bible says that John the Baptist was concieved on June 25 and here's how:
Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife [was] of the daughters of Aaron, and her name [was] Elisabeth.
The Course of Abia went from June 13 - June 19.
Luk 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.
Luk 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,
So we have Zacharias walking thirty miles to his home and he was an old man and couldn't walk on the Sabbath so he would've arrived home on June 22 or 23 with the conception on June 25. Then we have this:
Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.
Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, [thou that art] highly favoured, the Lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women.
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Luk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
Luk 1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
Luk 1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
So six months after June 25 is December 25 for the Immaculate Conception. So the birth would've taken place in late September and was probably on September 29 (September being the birthmonth of Kings) figuring it by history through Augustus decree and the fact there was no room at the inn due to the Feast of Tabernacles celebration.
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posted on
12/22/2003 12:43:44 AM PST
by
#3Fan
To: Skooz
I never thought or said Graham was lying.. the doctrine in question is in conflict with nearly 2000 years of church doctrine that in itself is problematic.
To: PetroniusMaximus
People in this thread have mentioned they see hopeful signs of revival. For my part I do not. I see signs of a coming period of persecution. The darkness and light seem to be growing more distinct - and on a global scale. It's as if the darkness has taken off the mask. I must concur with your statement. Having read Revelation, I do not see ANYTHING that indicates a coming revival, before the Second Coming of the King of Kings.
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posted on
12/22/2003 3:39:07 AM PST
by
who knows what evil?
(Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
To: Zipporah
I never thought or said Graham was lying. My point was that I could find some web page that would call anyone a heretic, including Graham. Just because we can link to a web page that attacks someone and states that his doctrine is unscriptural does not make it so.
the doctrine in question is in conflict with nearly 2000 years of church doctrine
Many who diligintly search the Scriptures and are far well versed in doctrine than you or I disagree.
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posted on
12/22/2003 4:12:15 AM PST
by
Skooz
(If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
To: who knows what evil?; PetroniusMaximus
The revival has already begun.
The Church is exploding across the globe. Millions are coming to the Lord. The African continent is currently experiencing a revival of proportions unknown in history.
The Church in China has built a foundation so strong, the forces of communism have been helpless against it. David Aikman, in his excellent new book, "Jesus in Beijing: How Christianity Is Transforming China and Changing the Global Balance of Power" details the strength of the latter day Chinese Church. He predicts that China will be a "Christian nation" within a generation. The global impact of that will be epochal. And one thing the Chinese churches all have in common: a burning desire to evangelize Muslims in the Middle East.
China is currently sending missionaries to all parts of the Muslim world and is meeting surprising success.
The revival is world-wide, sustained and gaining steam. Persecution has, as it always does, made it stronger.
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posted on
12/22/2003 4:22:36 AM PST
by
Skooz
(If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
To: Skooz
"Many who diligintly search the Scriptures and are far well versed in doctrine than you or I disagree."
Just do the research.. many have been misled and I too had been. You'll find it interesting that even Scofield's notes have been altered after the mid fifties. I believe that if the church fathers who had been much closer to our Lord than those in the last 100 years believed differently than those who interpret scripture as many do today, I would examine scripture. Those that you mention who diligently search scripture are in direct contridiction ... are you saying those who were with the Lord and those who followed are wrong?
To: Zipporah
I am saying that solid doctrine is based upon a few absolutes: the Virgin birth, the divinity of Christ, the Trinity, salvation through God's grace alone, the atoning death of Christ on the Cross, the resurrection, Christ's imminent return; the kinds of things that were hashed out at the Jerusalem and Nicean councils.
Apart from those absolutes (the departure from any of them is heresy), different groups of believers are free to interpret portions of Scripture as directed by the Holy Spirit. Eastern Orthodox Christians worship differently than Southern Baptists who worship differently than Pentecostals who worship differently than Coptics.
Some interpret Scripture from a more dispensationalist view than others. Some tend toward premillinenialism, some are mid-trib, others are post-trib (my pastor says he's pan-trip--it'll all pan out according to God's will). Some believe in the Rapture, others deny any event will take place.
None of these viewpoints are inherently false doctrine, provided they adhere to the absolutes.
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posted on
12/22/2003 5:17:58 AM PST
by
Skooz
(If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
To: Skooz
Well said. Especially in matters of Bible prophesy, some here are trying to insinuate that Schofield is some kind of heretical nutcase.
I've long studied the dispensational works of Schofield, Larkin, Ryrie, DeHaan, Chafer, Pentecost, ect...and these dear men of God believed strongly and lovingly in the foremost doctrines of Christianity. They simply believe in a "rapture," and the other folks don't.
For the life of me, I don't know why so much name calling takes place among Christians. Believe as you like, but no one can claim to have sole authority in the interpretation of God's Word.
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posted on
12/22/2003 5:31:47 AM PST
by
Luke21
To: #3Fan
Cool. Thanks!
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posted on
12/22/2003 6:08:01 AM PST
by
LS
(CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
To: Indie
Thanks, but I couldn't find it. All I saw was "Douglas Corner" and "Nashville." Should I go there?
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posted on
12/22/2003 6:10:08 AM PST
by
LS
(CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
To: LS
Sounds like you need a little help understanding a few things. Does every day belong to God? Because of Christ isn't every single day a Sabbath? Christ is our Sabbath.
In scriptures there is a power given to Christians to "bind" and to "loose" should two or three of them agree together about a certain matter, be it a business deal, regards to a holy day, etc, therefore it is bound in heaven. When Christians decide to conquer a pagan holiday or tradition and bind it, this is noted in heaven, when Christians decide to loose a day from pagan worship and bind it into a day of Christ worship that is noted and honored in heaven.
As the Catholic Church began to evangalize a nation the Church would often turn the traditional days and reasons for worship into Christian holidays. Such as the pagan tradition in Ireland of laying out food and sweets one night a year so that long dead relatives visiting them on that one night would not become jealous or angry and give them bad luck for a year.
The Church claimed that day, dressed half the towns people as devils the other half as angels and at the end of the celebration the angels would run the devils out of town. All symbolic. Did the Church have the right to do that? Under the authority of binding and loosing they do.
There is much made of the pagan tree that is now the Christmas tree. Christians do not worship a tree, they do not make an idol of the tree. The tree symbolizes Christ, evergreen, ever alive, and the ornaments the gifts of the Magi. This is perfectly fine with our Father in heaven who gives His children freedom to worship Him in ways that they agree to.
Col 2:16 "Therefore let no man judge thee in regards to meat, or drink, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
So I think you can relax a little bit about being up tight over Christian celebrations that were conquered from old pagan traditions.
To: MissAmericanPie
Relax? You appear to be the uptight one. I gave an inspirational and optimistic view of so-called "secular" symbols.
Sheesh. Some people can't wait to be offended.
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posted on
12/22/2003 6:13:28 AM PST
by
LS
(CNN is the Amtrack of news.)
To: mr. mojo risin
Warern preaches "what god can do for me?,
Wow, I must have been immune from this Satanic influence when I read his book. Somehow, I left with the impression "it's not about ME at all - it's about God". Guess I just missed falling into apostacy...
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posted on
12/22/2003 6:17:16 AM PST
by
beezdotcom
(now pushing for the adoption of the CAIR Corollary to Godwin's Law!)
To: beezdotcom
LOL!
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posted on
12/22/2003 6:17:50 AM PST
by
Skooz
(If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
To: LS
Passion-is a MUST see movie for ALL Christians. If this movie grossed more money than any other movie ever did, we will send a loud and clear message to the unfair oppressor, who are opposing it. From that time on, you will see how Hollywood will never oppose Christianity. It is all in our hands. Let us invest in a movie ticket or two. Common guys promise to see this movie at least one time. Thanks and Merry Christmas.
Mel Gibson will then gain more respect, and his oppressors will never be able to destroy him because he is a proud Christian. If there was any thing that should rally all Christians to assert themselves, this is it. Forget abortion! Forget prayer in school! Forget all the other rallying causes, this one is a direct hit to the heart of Christianity, and when it is defeated, it will eliminate new efforts to oppress Christians in the West.
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