Appeals Court Orders Jose Padilla released in 30 Days!

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[Dog]

Breaking...

[Recovering_Democrat]

Look, you can defend Padilla all you like. Tilt at the windmills....I'm going to prefer, everytime, the public's safety. See, I'm one of those whackos that happens to think Radioactive bombs set off in big cities is a problem, ya know? So, again, I'll say it: whatever.

[Protagoras]

I'm willing to give them a lot of slack/benefit of the doubt regarding the War on Terror.

You are the perfect "useful idiot".

And no, that's not namecalling. It refers to people who will, predictably, give up their rights if the right bugaboo is presented to them.

[Recovering_Democrat]

You obviously don't understand what I meant. Little wonder.

[Protagoras]

Look, you can defend Padilla all you like

Lugsoul, you did that? What post?

[cyncooper]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1042805/posts?page=94#94

[Protagoras]

I understood what you meant. You meant you had no answer on the topic.

[Mo1]

The court doesn't know how to read the law. They'll be corrected: Padilla is being held, under the law, as an ENEMY COMBATANT...not unlike those jokesters in Guantanamo. He's got the unique designation of being a citizen who trained and planned with Al Qaeda.

That was my understanding of the Padilla case

[Thud]

The 2nd Circuit majority erred by reliance upon the "zone of combat" theory, which ignores the fact that the term is irrelevant to this conflict.

[Protagoras]

What's the point?

[Recovering_Democrat]

You can use ad hominem attacks all you like...dress it up however you like.

My conservative leanings are documented on this board and in my life--your opinion of me means less to me than I can express. I can let you know this: I'll be supporting the War on Terror instead of defending Al Qaeda Terrorist who happen to live in Chicago. You can pick whatever side you want, thought it appears you already have.

The Constitution refers to the pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, doesn't it? Your desire to die on a hill for Padilla would result in fewer Americans having that right--because they'd be busy dying from the Radiation Bombs Padilla and his ilk set off.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Nope. Wrong again. But then, that's no surprise.

[Protagoras]

He's got the unique designation of being a citizen who trained and planned with Al Qaeda.

And as such, he gets treated differently. As per the US Constitution.

[Destructor]

"Wow. Do you work for Ashcroft? Or do you just believe everything the government tells you."

Neither. Apparently missed the news reports that detailed Jose Padilla's sorry life as a criminal, and his movements in the four years prior to his arrest. The reports even had his passport, travel arrangements, and other evidence. Maybe you should call EMS and have them break out "the jaws of life," so they can help you pull your head out of your ass.

[Protagoras]

Actually, I'm correct. Despite your attempt to change the subject to me.

[lugsoul]

I'm going to prefer, every time, the Constitution of the United States. I'm sorry you so readily use it to wipe your behind when the gov't tells you to be scared.

[jwalsh07]

Are members of Al Qaeda enemy combatants pursuant to the Joint Resolution of Congress?

[lugsoul]

Oh. So, because he was a petty criminal and low level gang banger, and because the news stations repeated a bunch of stuff they got from the government, THAT means the Constitution is suspended. NOW I understand...

[oceanview]

and there are plenty more Padillas out there, with US citizenship. If this stands, Muslim countries will start loading their 9 month pregnant women onto planes so they can land at JFK airport and have their babies while at the US immigration offices, so their new soldiers in the fight against America can have US citizenship and the protection of our court system.

[cyncooper]

What's the point?

What was yours in saying at the end of #124, after quoting a post that listed the judges and their decision, "That's a poor reflection, if it is one."?

My only point was to clarify who nominated whom.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[freeeee]

Good points, I'll think them over.

Ok, get back to me when you've thought about it.

I'm willing to give them a lot of slack/benefit of the doubt regarding the War on Terror.

Here's the problem with that: The WoT is permanent. There are no even theoretical conditions that it could be declared over and 'war powers' rescinded. Even the president has said he expects it to last at least decades. By that time most living people will remember nothing else, thus these 'war powers' are not temporary, they have become the 'new normal'. Given enough time eventually someone who would abuse these powers against legitimate American dissidents will take power.

Next problem, is the absolute power this 'war power' gives the executive. The government's definition of terrorism is so vague, it can and I predict it will be used against those the government doesn't like. Dissidents may be imprisoned and called terrorists or criminals by the executive. But without a trial how do we know the accused is what the government says they are? We don't. There are no charges filed, no evidence presented, no chance to defend oneself. Simply put, if they say you're guilty you are. That's absolute power. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.