I Believe I Just Witnessed Attempted Voter Registration Fraud

me | December 16, 2003 | prairiebreeze

[prairiebreeze]

Today as I was leaving my local grocery store a woman was standing at the exit doors holding a clipboard with a Dennis Kucinich sticker on it. She stated she was representing Dennis Kucinich and was asking people who were leaving the store if they were registered to vote. She stated she was registering voters.

I was very pressed for time at the particular moment as I was late for an appointment and unfortunately felt that I couldn't stop to speak with her or confront her then and there. After my appointment, about 30 minutes later I returned to the store. The woman was gone. I spoke with the store manager Mr. ***** who confirmed he had asked her to leave as that activity was against store policy inside the store. He stated that other customers had reported the woman to the customer service desk which was how he was alerted to her presence. Mr. ****** relayed that the woman stated she had been to several various stores in the area this morning trying to register voters for Kucinich and had most likely been turned out of all of them.

Interestingly the store manager indicated that store policy would have no problem with this woman standing out on their sidewalk, i.e. a public place, to conduct this activity, "like the Boy Scouts selling candy". I pointed out that there was no comparison in the two activities and that voter registration required verification of citizenship and age and needed to be done by state or county officials. (sheesh!)

Unfortunately Mr. ***** didn't get the womans name. He was a bit flustered, trying to cover his butt and wanting to make sure I wasn't mad at him or the store. I made sure I remained positive and pleasant throughout.

When I told him that the woman was registering voters for Kucinich he said, "I don't even know who Kucinich is?" I had to tell him. A fine example of the voting populace.....

[prairiebreeze]

I have no problem.. Maybe you do? sheesh

Prairie

[prairiebreeze]

click here to see the local discussion that's developed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profiles?location=61

Prairie

[AZLiberty]

Sounds like a great approach to identity theft, too. If you have someone's name, address, and DL#, you can probably clean out their bank account. Especially if the DL# is the same as the SSN -- which is still true for many people.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Get in touch with your registrar, and complain at once, if you think the law has been broken.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Believe me, next time I'll confront the witch and just be late to my doctors appointment.

If you had, the 'Rat would be in jail right now.

[CalKat]

I can't post on your link, maybe because I'm not from Illinois. But anyway, the two people who are registrars, or deputy registrars, give information that conflicts with the registrar site you linked. The site give locations to register, but one of the posters said he registered people at a Dominic's. Another poster said he has registered people in public areas. I can see a conflict with a registrar showing a preference for one party or candidate, so maybe registrars have different criteria for registering voters than someone from the general public.

[CalKat]

You don't have to give your social security to register to vote in CA. I can't imagine any other state could require it either.

[Veritas_est]

Yeah she was inside. According to a website that was posted these are the locations that are valid:

County Clerk's office
Board of Election's office
City and village offices
Township offices
Precinct Committeemen
Some schools
Some public libraries
Some labor groups
Some civic groups
Some corporations
Military recruitment offices

When applying for services at the following:
Driver's License Facilities
Department of Public Aid offices
Department of Public Health offices
Department of Mental Health & Developmental Disabilities offices
Department of Rehabilitation Services offices

http://www.elections.state.il.us/VoteInfo/pages/Register.htm

I agree that the site says you may register at the places listed above. What I didn't see was anything saying these are the ONLY places you may register.

What I DID see on another page at this site was the statement below.

"Voter registration opportunities are available by all methods mandated by the NVRA: state drivers license facilities, social service agency registration and mail registration.

Although the Illinois General Assembly has not passed any legislation to implement the NVRA in Illinois, the State Board of Elections has done so by its rule making authority. These rules will remain in effect until such time as pre-emptive legislation is passed. [emphasis added]

NVRA = Motor Voter. Under NVRA nearly anyone can be a registrar. Anyone who is a registrar may register people to vote just about anywhere they want to. They are encouraged to be bi-partisan.

These observations are from my personal experiences as a county chairman of the Republican Party and other involvement in political campaigns in the past. I KNOW it to be true in my state and have every reason to believe it to be true in most if not all states. I believe that every state board of elections, where NRVA has not been officially legislated, has in effect used their "rule making authority" to legislate it by bureaucratic mandate. (One of the many "loop holes"in NRVA.)

[prairiebreeze]

Deputy Registrar Freepers on the local board both say that it's necessary for her to be a Deputy Registrar by taking a class in order to register votes here.

They go on to say that it is NOT legal that she was "hawking" for Kucinich while trying to register people. No campaign buttons, literature handouts or endorsement of any candidate is to be used when registering voters.

What a great experience this has been! I'm glad it happened as I have gotten some good advice on what is appropriate and legal in this state, and what is not.

I hope to meet some of these local freepers very soon, and follow up with more conversation. AND if I see this again, I will challenge the party affiliation being pushed.

Prairie

[mhking]

Be alert -- the Rats are everywhere and will try anything...

Just damn.

If you want on the new list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

[prairiebreeze]

I know the drivers license facilities do register to vote. Some Deputy Registrars in IL are Freeping me that the woman would need to be a Deputy Registrar and should NOT be using electioneering or campaign paraphernalia when registering.

Prairie (what a great discussion! We all need to know what's up in our individual states!)

[CyberAnt]

"done by state or county officials"

Not true. Any CITIZEN can get a stack of registration forms from their political party and have people fill them out. Some political parties will PAY people to do this. However, you are not allowed to specify your party or your candidate. Registration is open to those who are eligible.

When the forms are filled out, they can be turned in to a political party (who will then send them to the local county clerk's office for registration), or they can be taken personally to the county clerk's office.

What this person is doing is trying to get a list of supporters for Dennis. Even though they may eventually turn in the forms, it is illegal to solicit supporters under the pretext of registration.

You should tell your local county elections office about this woman so they can be on the lookout for her.

[Veritas_est]

I know the drivers license facilities do register to vote. Some Deputy Registrars in IL are Freeping me that the woman would need to be a Deputy Registrar and should NOT be using electioneering or campaign paraphernalia when registering.

In my post # 93 I stated that just about anybody can be a registrar. I inadvertently left off the "DEPUTY" registrar. You are 100% correct in your assessment. Except that in some of the more liberal communities, there is little enforcement of the rule that relates to use of campaign material in connection with registering people to vote. Another of their convenient little loop holes.

I know of one incident in my state where a whole bus load of people were taken to register and were all given campaign literature AT THE REGISTRATION site. It was a temporary site set up for one day at a local church. Temporary sites are common in many states. They can be just about anywhere if they are advertised in some way.

This has been a great discussion.

[cyborg]

How is it voter fraud if there were actual forms? Much ado about nothing. A real lefty environazi group were doing the same thing outside a store I went into. I checked off republican and got my card in the mail.

[zbigreddogz]

I'll say one thing: They can committ all the voter fraud they want if they will nominate "Cousin It". He will get like 10,000 votes nationwide in the general.

[sweetliberty]

Unfortunately, without the woman's name there isn't much you can do, unless you call around to find out who's doing the leg work in your area for Kucinich. I don't know where you live, but it might not be that hard to do if they have some sort of campaign headquarters. You could check it out and ask questions (as if you're on their side of course), and maybe find out who she is, or you might even see her and recognize her and you could ask.

"If this is going to be SOP, it's going to be one looooong year."

It IS standard operating procedure for RATs in a lot of areas. It may even become more prevalent now that it's looking as if that may be all they have, apart from their loyal idiots.

Browse through some of the information on this thread. You might be amazed at what a serious problem democRAT voter fraud is.

FReepers Against Voter Fraud

[CalKat]

Sheesh, it sure is different in California. Here you can register to vote at a table set up by supporters of a candidate or party, at a store or the fair, or the pier, as some examples. So they are distributing campaign material as well. Also, you can register with any party -- I had moved in 2000 and re-registered as a Republican at a booth set up by Al Gore supporters. They were very nice about it.

[sweetliberty]

Voter fraud ping!