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Dean attacks military, President Bush - "Should have had Saddam six months earlier"

Posted on 12/15/2003 3:06:24 PM PST by jmcclain19

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3718010/

WASHINGTON - In a major foreign policy address Monday, Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean hailed the capture of Saddam Hussein as “good news for the Iraqi people and for the world,” but also claimed that his capture “could have taken place six months ago.”

Dean foreign policy adviser Susan Rice said after the speech that the former Vermont governor meant that if the Bush administration had done thorough planning for the aftermath of the military conflict, it could have developed better intelligence sources and in turn might have more quickly captured the deposed Iraqi dictator.

“The capture of Saddam has not made America safer,” Dean also said in the speech.

Lieberman: Dean in 'his own spider hole' That remark drew a caustic reply from one of Dean’s rivals for the Democratic nomination, Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman.

“Howard Dean has climbed into his own spider hole of denial if he believes that the capture of Saddam Hussein has not made America safer,” Lieberman said. “Saddam Hussein is a homicidal maniac, brutal dictator, supporter of terrorism, and enemy of the United States, and there should be no doubt that America and the world are safer with him captured.”

In a question-and-answer period following the speech, Dean also said, “I have never found the evidence convincing that Iraq was ever a significant threat to the United States.”

Dean’s candidacy has been powered by his attack on what he calls “the president’s unilateral intervention in Iraq.”

The Bush administration disputes the characterization of the removal of Saddam as “unilateral.” Several other nations, most significantly Great Britain, have contributed troops to the Iraq operation and have suffered casualties.

Dean said in Monday’s speech to the Pacific Council in Los Angeles that Bush had “launched the wrong war, at the wrong time, with inadequate planning, insufficient help and at extraordinary cost.”

'Rallying cry for terrorist recruits' The Iraq war, he alleged, “diverted critical intelligence and military resources … and created a new rallying cry for terrorist recruits.”

Dean said he “would not have hesitated” to launch an attack on Iraq “had the United Nations given us permission and asked us to be part of a multilateral force.”

And he emphasized that he would support use of American military force in some cases, noting that he did support the rollback of Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait in 1991 and the effort to halt ethnic cleansing in Bosnia and Kosovo.

He also said that in Iraq he would have supported U.S. intervention to halt Saddam’s massacres of Shiites in 1991.

Dean, who many polls show is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination, also charged that Bush “is about to be responsible for the fact that North Korea has become a nuclear power.” He said, “There is no disgrace in having the most powerful nation on earth negotiate bilaterally with North Korea, while we also pursue a multilateral track.”

Dean assailed “the hard-liners in the Bush administration” for spurning the possibility of engaging in bilateral negotiations with the regime of Kim Jong Il.

In the speech, Dean blasted what he called Bush’s “go-it-alone approach to every problem,” as well as what he said was its “radical unilateralism” and “brash boastfulness.”

“We find ourselves, too often, isolated and resented,” he declared, charging that Bush administration officials “seem to believe that nothing can be gained from working with nations that have stood by our side as allies for generations.”

He pledged to expand the existing U.S. program to find and control the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons inventory of the former Soviet Union.

Fire from Lieberman, Kucinich Of Dean’s eight rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination, his most severe critics have been Lieberman and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

Lieberman told reporters Sunday, “the capture of Saddam Hussein makes clear the choice between Howard Dean and me, which is the clearest choice that the candidates for president in the Democratic Party present.”

Lieberman said, “If Howard Dean has his way, Saddam Hussein would still be in power today, not in prison.”

Kucinich meanwhile has criticized Dean for offering no timeline for withdrawal of American soldiers from Iraq and for not being willing to cut the Defense Department budget – which Kucinich proposes to cut by $60 billion or about 15 percent of current outlays.

“No one else is saying definitively that we must end the (Iraq) occupation and I’m the only one doing it,” Kucinich told MSNBC.com recently. “I see this as a defining issue in this election. We must have a plan to get out. Not maybe. … We must have the Democrats united in ending the occupation.”


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; dean; hatepoweredhoward; heilhoward; hesabadman; howarddean; lies; poohead; saddam; schmuck; selfimportant; wackjob
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To: The Old Hoosier
I may or may not qualify as 'normal', but I'd hesitate before spitting on Howard Dean if I saw him on fire. However, I would be quite happy to fart in his general direction.
81 posted on 12/15/2003 4:55:41 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Perhaps I shouldn't use the words overblown and Clinton in the same sentence.)
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To: Joe Marine 76
http://www.techcentralstation.com/111403A.html

This link says he's an internist, and that he's being deceptive by giving people the impression that he's treated children. It's an interesting article.

82 posted on 12/15/2003 4:56:32 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: prairiebreeze
Truly not an indicator of intelligence. Believe me.

One of the only jokes I can reliably remember:

Q: What do you call the guy who graduated bottom of his class in med school?

.

A: Doctor.

83 posted on 12/15/2003 4:59:12 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: Rummyfan
I've felt that way for about 3 months now. He creeps me out. He reminds me of Nicolai Carpathia from the 'Left Behind' novels.
84 posted on 12/15/2003 4:59:36 PM PST by .cnI redruM (Perhaps I shouldn't use the words overblown and Clinton in the same sentence.)
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To: jmcclain19
Throw dirt on him .....he's through.
85 posted on 12/15/2003 5:00:29 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: mtbopfuyn
Dang, Shrillary's sly. She's behind this Dingbat Dean for 2004 knowing he'll fall face first leaving 2008 open for herself. Sure hope Bush has someone in the wings that can stop her.

What, like, a sniper?

Just kiddin'. ;^)

86 posted on 12/15/2003 5:01:24 PM PST by wizardoz ("Let's roll!" ........................................................ "We got him!")
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To: Fintan
BWHAAHAHAHAHAH!! HOLY CRAP THAT'S FUNNY!!!
87 posted on 12/15/2003 5:04:09 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (EEE)
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To: Fintan
Hey can you put eight legs on that critter???
88 posted on 12/15/2003 5:04:40 PM PST by mware
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To: wizardoz
Q: What's the difference between doctors and God?

A: God doesn't think He's a doctor.

Prairie
89 posted on 12/15/2003 5:06:41 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: Dog
Jim, I am beginning to worry. Dean is so far out on that left wing limb that I fear he may not be nominated. I can't image even them nominating someone with such bizarra and obvious flip flops.
90 posted on 12/15/2003 5:08:44 PM PST by mware
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To: prairiebreeze
The more Dean talks, the more I think he's on drugs. Serious drugs.
91 posted on 12/15/2003 5:10:22 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: jmcclain19
Dean blasted what he called Bush’s “go-it-alone approach to every problem,” as well as what he said was its “radical unilateralism”

60 countries isn't "unilateral." "Uni" means one, and there are tens of nations in our coalition. Doesn't matter though. Repeat something often enough and our dumbed-down electorate will believe it. Serious Orwellian stuff here.

92 posted on 12/15/2003 5:12:19 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: All
Did any of you just hear the report from Fox News? The International Red Cross want to be able to visit Saddam.

I dont recall them asking to visit the prisons were Saddam was putting people in meat grinders.

93 posted on 12/15/2003 5:13:12 PM PST by mware
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To: jmcclain19
I just don't see Dean pulling off the centrist "regular guy" makeover after the primaries that Clinton did in '92.


Clinton's campaign didn't start in righteous anger. It was optimistic "change" and "the man from Hope" and "I feel your pain." It was "Boy from broken home succeeds by idealism." And the young soccer moms and old softies came running.

The interesting thing is, you know Dean's people are dissecting that '92 campaign to suss out "what worked."
So what are these people going to do to turn an uppity New York elitist surgeon into someone you'd like to have a beer with?

Dean's right now trying to get ole slick willie's endorsement.

Maybe he should try for Rupert's from Survivor.




94 posted on 12/15/2003 5:16:25 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: mware
I've been hearing stories from a Freeper about the abysmal way the Red Cross distributes (actually doesn't distribute) donations to our troops.

Now they want to visit Saddam Insane. The Red Cross can kiss my.........foot.

Prairie
95 posted on 12/15/2003 5:27:07 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
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To: prairiebreeze; JustPiper; freeperfromnj; flutters; Dog; Sabertooth; Cindy; yonif; ...
Prairie, what is wrong with you??? I just ate. Now I have indigestion!
96 posted on 12/15/2003 5:28:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: mystery-ak
Hey, MA, haven't you heard there ain't a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and Pubs? (/sarcasm)

BTW are you on for All-Stars Feb. 1st?
97 posted on 12/15/2003 5:34:17 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: prairiebreeze
Red Cross wants to visit Saddam? Whatever for?
98 posted on 12/15/2003 5:34:57 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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To: stands2reason
Yeah, have they announced where it will be?....please tell me Jonny Fairplay won't be there..LOL
99 posted on 12/15/2003 5:38:06 PM PST by mystery-ak (Christmas lights are being put up...but our flag is always flown with pride.)
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To: Fintan
OH PERFECT!
100 posted on 12/15/2003 5:39:01 PM PST by onyx (Your secrets are safe with me and all my friends.)
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