Regarding Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell and Depression

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[joesbucks]

The problems of depression and despair.

[bikewench]

Last Great Act of Defiance!!

You mean this one?

http://pages.preferred.com/~redline/Misc%20Pictures/TheLastGreatActOfDefiance.html

[BnBlFlag]

It is my understading that real depression is caused by a chemical inbalance in the brain and is thus a physiological and not a psycological problem.

[Yeti]

I think that you are confusing self-pity with depression. You can "give in" to and "wallow in" self-pity.

I think you're right, Clara.

You seem to have a healthy approach to this, rational and compassionate.

It occurs to me that much of the nonsense and judgement being bandied around on this thread would actually be APPROPRIATE, for something like a fake suicide attempt contrived for attention, or some passive-aggressive histrionic depression-*acting* to ladle false guilt trips on people.

It's occured to me in the past, that since therapists can only interview survivors of *failed* suicide attempts, it might be easy for some folks to get the wrong ideas about the real deal -- their sample group might be skewed in the direction of ruthless manipulators and whiny adolescents.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"For the third time, there ARE exceptions; those who truly have a physiological problem. I just don't for a second believe that they are the majority."

This is the truth. Excellent analysis. The truly sick have been marginalized.

Major depression, or whatever they want to name it, involves physical symptoms. Has nothing to do with outlook, motivation, faith, work ethic.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Jacqui, you have mail...

[Tax Government]

Depression imho is a medical, physical problem, and perhaps a response to stress. It exists in all degrees. People try to "fix" depression in many ways, both acceptable and unacceptable. People build lifestyles around accommodating their favorite treatment mode.

My mode is to acknowledge the relation between powerlessness and depression, and trying to cure the powerlessness through action. That process is called "taking charge of one's life." Does it work? Well, try and find out.

[RaceBannon]

There is a huge difference between the decay of the human body due to age and the effects of bad thinking that effect a person's emotions.

Emotions are something you do to yourself. It is the rareest of individuals that has a genuine brain disorder that causes their brain to not produce certain chemicals like Endorphins, or lack the receptors to receive these secretions.

In other words, 99% of all people taking these medications are doing it to themselves, they caused their problems, they created their problems, and their faulty thinking is making their problems worse.

It is an undeniable fact, that even when a person goes on these medications, it is only for the period of time necessary for them to LEARN HOW TO STOP THINKING THE WAY THAT MADE THEM SICK!!

And it is a shame your 'Christian' Counsellor didnt send you to Jesus instead of Freud. That person needs to sit down with a Bible believing Pastor to get their had right with God, instead of Freud. I suggest you search for Psychoheresy Ministries on the net

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/



Every doctor who puts you on these pills tells you that you are only supposed to be on them until you get your thinking straight, and you have to admit that. If they aren't, then you need a new doctor, for all they would be doing is making you a slave to a pill that effects something that you CAN control, as long as you know what to think, and why.

Christians are supposed to know better, it is a shame you dont.

[Willie Green]

So, I guess what I'm trying to say is, that this topic is probably very painful for you, justifiably, but don't be blaming others for making the pain worse - no one here is to blame, and neither are you.

Sheeeesh. Where have I heard that before?

It's the same old weary "don't blame the free speech extremists, they have a RIGHT to be crass, vulgar, offensive and inappropriate if they wannabe" arguement.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"You sound like alot of people I know. You read this or that article, maybe a case study, whatever. And you are painting with a broad brush, but the thing you are trying to paint has lots of tiny detail. *SLOP* there's your version of reality.
"

No. That is all bullshit. I see the issue for what it is. Read my posts. I am way beyond compartmentalizing mental illness into a convenient package.

"You read this or that article, maybe a case study, whatever."

Wrong. My positions are based on rational observation, and I reject junk science psychiatry.

We know little concerning the brain, so saying it underfunctions, or its a chem imb, or knowing the cause is disingenuous.

If your depression was mainly situational, or you were irrational... and now you are not. Great. That is a mild depression.

But don't tell me that your experience is the definition of the illness. For some, its not a choice. Thinking positively, etc... has no effect on physical sypmtoms or cognitive functioning for some.

A 'depressed' individual can be rational , yet have cognitive and physical problems. Major depression does not mean 'feeling downtrodden'.

Only someone who experiences this can realize it.

[Clara Lou]

"taking charge of one's life."
Ah, but you see-- what happens when the problem is that something is no longer yours to be "in charge of"? What happens when all you can do is watch?

[Chad Fairbanks]

It's the same old weary "don't blame the free speech extremists, they have a RIGHT to be crass, vulgar, offensive and inappropriate if they wannabe" arguement.

No, actually what it is, is that on a thread that was supposed to be about opinions, we have people being touchy-feely, and attempting to manipulate and guilt trip people who have opinions they don't like with "Oooooh, you might offend the family" as a way of stifling debate, and that is intellectually dishonest PC bullcrap.

As much as I feel for the family, I'm not about to silence my opinions because someone might be "offended" by them, and neither should anyone else - if we do that, then what is the point of FR?

If you want to argue with someone's opinion, fine, but only liberals use guilt-tripping as a debating style - or so I thought.

[Tax Government]

Well, maybe being in charge starts with an attitude or desire also. If you want to be in charge, make some little baby steps in that direction.

[RaceBannon]

I am sorry for your loss, I dont remember meeting you or your husband, if so, please forgive me.

You mentioned that you would like to speak with some. Can I give your number to my Pastor? He might be able to help.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

Disagree. She said she was pinged here by the person saying he did not respect her husband and that he was not noble.

His was not a genuinely honest post. Read it. There is no excuse for it.

I am surprised that you choose to defend a malicious post over a grieving widow.

Rules of a 'forum' do not trump morality and common decency and respect for the departed.

[TASMANIANRED]

Depression is not a single problem like a broken leg.
Some people are depressed by virtue of genetics, some people though effects of major events in their life can have down regulation of the neurotransmitter Serotonin. Serotonin is the transmitter responsible for feelings of wellbeing.

Some people have been conditioned to depression. Chronic verbal abuse by parents constantly telling kids they are no good, will never amount to anything. These tapes keep playing into adulthood and they have no resources to cope with life.


One of the things I have noticed in my own life and then from the graciousness of so many Freepers posting their stories, Depression can be a major catalyst for dramatic change. Lots of us out there made a life after depression that was a radical improvement over life predepression.


Depression can also be the time you figure out what the new normal in life is going to be. Had a good friend that suffered loss of her well loved dog, her significant other, her house then had a fall and a brain injury, lost her job because she is now handicaped. Depression was normal, took time but she has put it back together again.

No job, she is disabled, but new house, new dog and different life.

[Tax Government]

If the life in question is yours, then you have some power, and an ability to do *something* to change it. That is the starting point.

[bonfire]

This thread wasn't a thread about Chris. This was an opinion, discussion thread. If it offends someone, they shouldn't read it.
I think reading all the different opinions here has helped me understand quite alot on this subject. They are "reactions" and feelings and we all have strong ones especially about a subject as complex as depression and suicide.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

You are right on some points, but your absolutism is wrong too.

I am a Thomas Zasz student... but you take it too far.

"In other words, 99% of all people taking these medications are doing it to themselves, they caused their problems, they created their problems, and their faulty thinking is making their problems worse. "

i know your side, and the pychs case. Both wrong.
To break this complex issue into real or fake is a grievous error to the TRULY sick.

[Siouxz]

Thank you. I was just getting ready to post similar sentiments, but you did so much more eloquently than I could have. Of couse we have rights of free speech, this is a public forum, etc. But good Lord, can't people VOLUNTARILY stifle their "rights" just for a little while and show some compassion?