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The McCain-Feingold assault on our First Amendment rights was passed by a Republican-controlled Congress, signed into law by a Republican President, and affirmed by a Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

The Free Republic is first and foremost a forum to advance conservative ideals and not the Republican Party agenda. The two causes are (sadly) often on wildly divergent paths.

So please, put down your GOP pom poms.

I submit that ideas are more important than party loyalty.

1 posted on 12/10/2003 7:39:21 PM PST by ambrose
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I have the solution. WITHHOLD ALL DONATIONS TO THE RNC and local Republican committees, and SWITCH voting registration to INDEPENDENT.

Return their pathetic, desperate pleas for money back empty. With a note explaining that they will cease to collect ONE RED CENT until they defend the Constitution, and fight the liberal assult on our borders, language, and culture. I know it sounds a like Michael Savage monologue, but dammit, he is RIGHT!!!

Donate money to the two or three REAL Conservative candidates in Congress like Tom Tancredo or those that stood up for Colonel David West. Maybe help the black Republican candidates running--who seem to be REAL Conservatives.

KEEP the money you would normally give to Our Lord and Savior, our Alpha and Omega, Our New World Presidente, Jesus W. Bush.

Instead, GIVE the money to Jesse Lee Peterson's B.O.N.D., Landmark Legal Foundation, the Boy Scouts, the NRA, Campus Watch, F.I.R.E, Renew America, etc.

You can still vote for any "pansy-assed," "PC," "Democrat-posing-as-a-Republican," "Islam is a peaceful religion," "let's legalize EVERY illegal invader" candidate you desire, because you are going to vote for them any way. just don't give them any more money.

Maybe they will collectively shit in their pants-with- whales-on-them when they fail to get any money from their peon, joe schmoe enablers. Maybe they won't. It's worth a try. It's our country. At least for the time being.

Maybe we DON'T wish to keep our republic, Mr. Franklin!!!

230 posted on 12/10/2003 9:29:26 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: ambrose
Uh, ambrose, the 5 members of the Supreme Court that affirmed this ridiculous law were the liberals.

283 posted on 12/10/2003 9:55:15 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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To: ambrose
Fine and dandy, but if all of us, even the so called pom-pom wielders,divorce ourselves from the GOP, then you do realize, don't you, that the Dems will hold power unto perpetuity. Get a grip. At least make a wee attempt to be rational, understand the consequences of actions and votes, and consider just WHAT your oh so misguided post actually means.
288 posted on 12/10/2003 9:58:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: ambrose
The choices are:

1.) Stop voting and bunker down.
2.) Vote for Dean/Hillary.
3.) Vote for an independent/3rd party.
4.) Vote for Bush, even though he signed CFR, NCLB, spends like a Democrat, will sign the AWB if it hits his desk, and has presided over some of the most gargantuam federal power/money expansions in history.

Choosing the lesser of 2 evils (or 4) is the curse of a damned culture. We are going to become a mega-taxed socialist UN-dominated Constitution-ignoring multiculturally hyphenated dystopia one way or the other. It will be a little slower to arrive with the Republicans.
295 posted on 12/10/2003 10:00:47 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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I think the problem here has several layers.

#1 If Bush didn't sign this, or Republicans didn't go for this, all of them would be subjected to being perceived as being attached to money for influence in ads from Democrats for the rest of their political careers. This was blackmail, no doubt.

#2 Most expected the courts to never go for this.

#3 The "Court" and judges are the main issue here.
We need to get conservatives/Republicans elected to get the needed super majorities, then to appoint Federal judges and await any judges that step down.
If we get to the point where we can elect judges, then we can later be more bold and bring forth different, new and more reasonable campaign financing laws and have a court more likely to interpret law properly instead of make it up.

I know this gets dull, but yet again it ends up being getting what we need and want in steps.

What ever we can do to get super majorities in Congress should be done this election.
We must also remember to grow conservatism still at the grass root level. If we don't do that, the future is null and void and will be at best a full blown European styled socialist country.
328 posted on 12/10/2003 10:14:21 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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If anyone should be worried it's the Democratic party and their legions of kook donors. The signing of this made it 10 times harder to match dollar for dollar what Bush has amassed and continues to amass in his campaign war chest. Too bad the DNC didn't dump The Punk sooner, or they'd be money ahead by now.

If you want to vote Democrat fine. I'm sticking with the party, and keeping Bush in there, and front loading him with two Republican senators in congress instead of one. He has an agenda and if we get the right people in there for him, he can run with his more Conservative agenda instead of a slightly-left-of-moderate agenda.

The Democrats think they got a good deal out of it, they're wrong. They got snookered again, by Bush and Rove as usual.

Bush may look like he's bending over for the Democrats. Far from it. Bush is surrounded by far right and conservatives in his cabinet. Just wait when the Republican's gain strength in the Congress. Bush will unveil his deep rooted Conservative agenda, and maybe, just maybe, we'll start seeing Conservative judicial nominees getting placed on the bench.

423 posted on 12/10/2003 11:34:15 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper
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For whatever it's worth, I originated this, way back when Jeffords jumped and the Jackal Pack Media was clamoring for CFR:

Silence, America!:

Silence, America!: for Silence, America!. 

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487 posted on 12/11/2003 2:14:32 AM PST by backhoe (--30--)
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To: ambrose
Who ever said politics and ideals were the same?
495 posted on 12/11/2003 7:06:04 AM PST by Conservomax (shill: One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into part)
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You are, of course, correct.
502 posted on 12/11/2003 8:28:14 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: ambrose
So move to Arizona and vote against McCain. Don't try to pretend that 8 more years of Clinton is the answer. We know it is not.
508 posted on 12/11/2003 10:29:46 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: ambrose
ping - RINOs are worse than democrats. Conservatives need to vote as a voting block - then we would have more influence. The RNC totally ignores what conservatives think in fact they side more with liberals than they do with conservatives would anybody debate this fact.
513 posted on 12/11/2003 10:44:55 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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Today's Republicans are farther Left than the Democrats of the 1960's. But today's Democrats are more Communist, even farther Left.

The Libertarians are looking like a pretty good alternative.

515 posted on 12/11/2003 10:52:47 AM PST by mukraker
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I used to be a pretty good Republican, now I really don't give a damn who gets elected. If it's a nice sunny day, I might go and vote. I always vote GOP, but if it's cold and raining, I won't. Cause I really do not care any longer.
516 posted on 12/11/2003 11:09:04 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ambrose
Two

Four

Six

Eight

Who do we appreciate?

Bush, thats who.

GW, alright.

Bush/Cheney 2004

Call me a Rino, Call me a Sheeple. But I think Bush is best for the People.

517 posted on 12/11/2003 11:55:16 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: ambrose
Did your mother ever teach you that the sin of omission is as bad as a lie? Apparently not.

You do recall that almost every Republican in the Congress opposed this bill, right? In fact, Hastert refused to even allow it to come up for a vote. Nearly every Democrat and a small handful of Republicans joined to get 218 signatures to force the House to take up the measure over the leadership's objection.

Furthermore, Republicans did not control the Senate at the time, so the bill was not passed by a "Republican controlled Congress." In case you missed it in school, the Senate is part of Congress.

As for the Court, most of the Republican members there also opposed this on Constitutional grounds. The ruling passed by one vote, 5-4. All of the 4 dissenters were Republican appointees. None of them were Democrats, and indeed, the Democrat appointees were on the majority side of the opinion.

The President should have vetoed the bill, but otherwise your argument fails on all counts and appears to be quite inaccurate and perhaps deliberately so. You lose. Farewell.
522 posted on 12/11/2003 4:46:54 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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An Open Message to ambrose...

Quit whining and help conservatives who **can** win, win. I get so sick of losers like you whining about who is in office then go vote for someone who **can't** win, thereby giving your vote to democRATs.

"But I'm a purist, I'm a purist..." or "I vote my conscience..." That's a bunch of B.S. in the real world.

531 posted on 12/11/2003 5:52:41 PM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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I guess if we can't have 100% of what we want all the time we should just hold our breath untill we quit living, right?
534 posted on 12/11/2003 6:02:55 PM PST by Bullish
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Why isn't this posted in "Chat"?
556 posted on 12/12/2003 3:32:14 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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...affirmed by a Republican-controlled Supreme Court.

That's a lie and you know it.

557 posted on 12/12/2003 3:43:29 AM PST by metesky (Kids, don't let this happen to you!)
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My country is the most important in an election..Shaking those Pom Poms for the good of the country....though the man isn't perfect.Yea Bush!
584 posted on 12/13/2003 7:44:25 PM PST by MEG33
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