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What is White? Caucasian students inquire.
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | December 8, 2003 | Jose Antonio Vargas

Posted on 12/08/2003 8:28:20 AM PST by SFmom

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The other students call her "white girl."

Justine Steele is a senior at Independence High School in San Jose, a sprawling campus of 4,054 students where 8 percent are Caucasian. Forget the numbers. "Look around," she says. There are Indians and Vietnamese, Mexicans and Filipinos.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: caucasianclub; diversity; education; europeanamericans; multiculturalism; publicschools; racism; sfbayarea; white
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To: BJungNan
Actually talking about Americans, instead of race, would be more accurate since those words would describe a lot of people.
61 posted on 12/08/2003 8:20:35 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: autoresponder; MeeknMing
(lightly tanned in Florida)


62 posted on 12/08/2003 8:36:16 PM PST by potlatch (Whenever I feel 'blue', I start breathing again.)
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To: Skywalk
Hate to break it to you but Caucasian, referring to race, has nothing to do with Azeris and Armenians. It is derived from Caucasoid, which Azeris and Armenians are certainly a part of, just as Negro is related to Negroid and Mongol to Mongoloid(though no one would call an Asian a Mongol these days.)

Granted. But the PC police have gotten upset of calling "native Americans" "Indians" so much that the term "Indian" is now considered pejorative, even though we know that "Indian" means someone from the Indian subcontinent. We're just taking the natural extension of that. If "Indian" does not refer to the native people's of America, but to people from India and to use it to refer to native Americans is considered a slur -- well, then by golly, "Caucasian" being used to refer to white people is a slur as well since it refers to people from the Caucasus. You can't have it both ways -- "Indian" as a slur; and "Caucasian" not. Both are or both are not.

63 posted on 12/08/2003 8:44:26 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: cyborg
The world owes a great deal the English.
64 posted on 12/08/2003 9:13:25 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
Sure. I agree, having one parent who comes from an English colony.
65 posted on 12/08/2003 9:16:42 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Wheee The People
What is white? Just another term for can't dance.

White people can dance...


66 posted on 12/08/2003 9:32:29 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: BJungNan; All
I'd like to add that thought. Being white does not immediately align oneself with every last white person at every point in history. I do believe that would make some white people as guilty as black liberals who try to connect to anything,everything african at every point in time. If that is allowed, then I should have more self esteem and racial pride than anyone else. Culture and ethnicity are very different from 'race' or what we think race is.

Actually in asking what 'white' is, people will learn, or should learn, that it's no different than what being 'black' is, or any other is is. Most white and blacl kids I meet think of themselves as Americans. I don't know where the libs find these people. I've never had a quandry over 'whiteness'.
67 posted on 12/08/2003 9:40:22 PM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: Amerigomag
And of course Negro is personna non gratis in our society. We rely instead on an inaccurate skin color descriptor, black or the equally inaccurate geographic hypenation, Africa American.

I have Caucasian friends from South Africa that have become US citizens. Are they more Africa American than Africa Americans not born in Africa? Can they qualify for special programs being original Africa Americans?

Strange times we live in.............

68 posted on 12/08/2003 10:00:57 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: potlatch
Very cute

We used raw Aloe jell right from the plants in our yards

But we lived there and worked up to it

Hum the raisin tune now
69 posted on 12/08/2003 11:15:16 PM PST by autoresponder (<html> <center> <img src="http://0access.web1000.com/HV.gif"> </center> </html> HILLARY SHOOTS!)
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To: Howlin
Isn't she a pretty lady. I have thought she is a knockout since the 50's when she was on the Jack Paar show. I was heart broken when she married Alan Ludden.

70 posted on 12/08/2003 11:23:32 PM PST by lawdude (Liberalism: A failure every time it is tried!)
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To: SFmom
I'm sorry, but if you start a club to hang out with "white" people, you are either a racist or a segregationalist or both. "White" people aren't one identifiable common culture/history group -- all they share is a skin color. I can't fathom why people would want to establish friends based on skin color.

Yes, some of you will say- it's bad when black, latinos etc. do it to. True, but to a much lesser extent. Almost all black Americans share a common culture and history as the decendents of slaves who were segregated for generations-- creating distinctively american black cultural motifs in art, fashion, literature and music. Latinos generally share a common language and religion (99% Catholic) and are mostly first or second generation immigrants. Whites don't.

I'm a Sephardic Jew born in Mexico with most of my genetic ancestors originating in the Middle East (albeit with a smittering of Gentile British/French/German blood). Skin wise, I'm white with a mildly olive complexion. I have zero desire to hang out with other "white" people simply because we share a genetic skin allelle. I will however self-select based on real culture-- hanging out more frequently in groups of Jews, with whom I share a common faith and culture. That's based on faith and culture- not skin tone.

71 posted on 12/08/2003 11:26:54 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: MissAmericanPie
I would say that original Ameicans seem less entitled than others.

What do you mean by "original American"? Do you mean white people? Tell that to the 75% of my skin-toned white ancestors who arrived a century ago. Do you mean Anglo-Americans whose ancestors founded the country (a good portion of my remaining 25%)? Or do you mean Native Americans, who predated all of us on the continent, yet had little to do with establishing or organizing our system of government?

72 posted on 12/08/2003 11:30:29 PM PST by ChicagoHebrew
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To: BJungNan
Of course there are exceptions to every rule. But I refuse to look at the evidence of world history and ignore the evidence for anyone's PC agenda.

Whites are the minority world wide. They compose only four hundred million out of a world population of six billion. Every where they build the rest of the world seeks to move to. Then you have the American.

Hated by everyone including his counter parts in Europe, the freedom that has been the experience of the American, in times past, blessed the world with everything from harnessing electricity, the combustion engine, space exploration, medical and engineering marvels, communication, television, plastics, air conditioning, dishwashers, refrigeration, the list just goes on and on.

When Europe and the world relate how they hate Americans, do you think for a jack rabbit second they have in mind asian, hispanic, black, Americans? No, they hate Americans decended from the American Revolution.

I think the hatred of Europe for America is based on envy. Envy and hatred because it's abundently obvious that our relationship to God, basing our Constitution, not on Christianity but Christian principles, acknowledging and honoring Him in our communities, garnered us abundent blessings, and it had nothing to do with skin color. Any other race that had acted in the same way would have been likewise blessed. Like Ismael hated Isaac, Europe hates America. France accuses us of holding onto primitive notions of morality. They consider themselves enlightened humanists.

Native Americans have welcomed everyone to our shores who seeks freedom, individualism, with the hope they would embrace the values and ideals that built this nation. The rights and soverignty of the individual, the importance of his freedom to follow his destiny, accomplish all his ambitions with litte or no oppressive government interference. Instead, that generosity has been turned into a weapon against everyone, the American culture, heritage, morals, work ethic, the importance of what lessons and ideals needing to be passed onto others in order to maintain the greatness of this nation, the Constitution, all are under attack.

Our children, religion, culture, history, are descriminated aginst, our ingenuity stifled, our educational system dumbed down, and government regulations and taxes that punish ambition and invention, while promoting a nanny state. All so that self absorbed, power hungry policiticans and enemies wishing to destroy, can use the uneducated immigrants need and desire to feed from the public trough, and vote his belly, to grow and hold more power, while calling the native citizen racist and nativist for protesting the use of immigrants lack of education and understanding to complete the socialization of a free nation.

The reason other races should care deeply about this is because it kills their advancement and future also when ignorance of the American spirit and mindset allows freedoms to be chipped away at for one group, because that chipping away will eventually get to them, to every individual.

Racism and culture worship is promoted by socialists. Many blacks hinder the progress of others by accusing them of acting white, being oreo's, etc. Already the standard of living in America is dropping, along with the freedom to progress, that means those attempting to climb the ladder of success will find less at the top of it.

Many immigrants have made wonderful contributions to America, but a growing number are nothing but a drain on the economy and a threat to Constitutional guarantees because they lean marxist/socialist. No one, not even native Americans have the right or the freedom to turn the USofA into a socialist nightmare. There are pleanty of these paradises world wide to move to. Either fit into the system here or move on.

We have a right, not to mention a responsibility, to say enough and have that be respected without being called racist, when in reality it is the knowledge on the part of many native Americans of the weapon being used against all our freedoms and the future of all living here by socialists determined to divide and conquer.

The only part race has to do with it, is the agenda behind promoting race worship as a weapon to destroy what everyone finds so desirable about being here in the first place.

73 posted on 12/09/2003 12:43:17 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: potlatch; autoresponder; PhilDragoo
Hmmmm, secret messages, disappearing ink, white font!!!

Yep ! Join the Caucasian Club today and get your FREE Secret Decoder Ring ! ...


74 posted on 12/09/2003 2:44:15 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/HitlerTraitor6.JPG)
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To: potlatch
hehe ! He's toast ! ... er, raisin !

75 posted on 12/09/2003 2:58:50 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Hillary is a TRAITOR !!: http://Richard.Meek.home.comcast.net/HitlerTraitor6.JPG)
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To: SFmom
If blacks can call themselves African American, they should name the club for white students The European American Club. I graduated back in the eighties and we never had any clubs based upon race in our school.
76 posted on 12/09/2003 3:23:31 AM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: MissAmericanPie
She is a decendent of the American Revolution, a unique race of people, blessed by the God they paid homage to, and one that is almost as hated, feared, and persecuted world wide as the Jew.

Your whole post was great, but this last part really made me think. Thirld-worlders are pouring into North America and Europe, once they become the majority in those areas, I shudder to think of the future for our children and their children. Maybe then the whites will stand up for themselves. Could you imagine Henry VIII, Louie XIV, or some of our great Presidents allowing their countries to be overrun by foreigners to the point they were the minority? No way in hell would they have stood for it.

77 posted on 12/09/2003 3:45:19 AM PST by dougherty (I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. -Michelangelo)
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To: dougherty
So let the black students have their club, let the white students have theirs... let them worship something so ridiculous as the color of their skin. Neither them have any clue what it is to be American anyway.
78 posted on 12/09/2003 5:09:44 AM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
I noticed no one answered you so I will offer my opinion.
I'd be hesitant to tell my black American friends that they aren't original Americans. Their ancestors did just as much to build this country as the founding fathers did. I'd say it's LAZY to have other people do your own work, and not do it yourself (slavery). Now I love the founding fathers. esp Thomas Jefferson. Boy you can have a thread in FR about afrocentrists worshipping the color of their skin BUT I see the same thing here. My ancestors are primarily from Europe, but does this mean I am somehow automatically connected to all white people in America? My mother came from an English colony. My whole childhood was European culture and history. My mom who is not all white, has more connection to Europe than white Americans. Culture and ethnicity are very different from mere skin color. Some things are more than skin deep.
79 posted on 12/09/2003 5:18:15 AM PST by cyborg (far right extremist american...........)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Well said. The problem is that there is such a thing as a "caucasion" race but there isn't any real thing that is a "white" race.

Caucasions can be nearly any color with many peoples being extremely dark in color but dark caucasions are often declared not white. Mongoloids are not white even when they have skin paler than most caucasions.

"White" people is largely a racist cultural concept based on the idea that there is something unique about people based strictly on bloodlines. In this country that idea has resulted in government formulas defining who is and isn't white for the purposes of segregation. The ridiculous extreme being that having "one drop" of negroid "blood" made someone of european extraction non-white.

"White" for is most synonymous with pure european but even there some europeans have at times been declared not white.
80 posted on 12/09/2003 5:48:10 AM PST by Varda
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