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The fraud that is OU Football exposed tonight - USC and LSU should meet for the championship
dateline: Texas Stadium | 12/6/03 | Jamail Holloway's fur coat at the Orange Bowl

Posted on 12/06/2003 8:28:52 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat

Congrats to K. State, Big 12 Champs. They spanked the pompous overrated Sooners 35-7 tonight in the Big 12 Championship game. Meanwhile USC and LSU continued to roll with big wins(52-28 and 34-13(with 3 minutes left, respectively.)

No way should OU be chosen by the BCS to play in the Sugar Bowl, the pollsters and computers should drop them hard to at least #3(Michigan is probably better, but they do have 2 losses.) What a fraud the BCS is, can anyone reasonable prove that OU is better than LSU and USC, both of who have dominated late in the season? Yet just like with Nebraska a few years ago, OU will probably back in based on bogus prior rankings, overrated hype, and a scam of a system.

OU didn't just lose, they got their butts whooped. If they had lost by just a few points, one could make a decent argument that perhaps they below in the mythical national championship game. But not after this lame performance, and the impressive play of USC and LSU in the last month. 2 teams are going up, 1 is going down. But once again, the BCS is probably going to show how utterly bogus it is. Besides, I'd say its 50-50 that right now Michigan could beat them all, just as with USC the year before.

Without a playoff, its all just figure skating.


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To: DrewsDad
sometimes you just have a really crappy day

And sometimes you believe your own press. Oklahoma started believing everything the press was saying about them and walked out onto the field thinking KState would lay down because they've got those pretty red helmets. The day you start believing your press is the day you get hit so hard a snot-bubble comes out of your nose.

81 posted on 12/06/2003 10:43:16 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: dennis1x
BTW, Syracuse just mopped up the floor with Notre Dame and then kicked their *sses for missing the corners. This knocks down USC's ratings, as USC beat Notre Dame earlier this year. PROBABLY OU-LSU in the Sugar Bowl.
82 posted on 12/06/2003 10:45:48 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
That's what happened with LSU-Florida.

If we had won that they'd be no doubt who'd be number 1.
83 posted on 12/06/2003 10:46:52 PM PST by Bogey78O (Rob Reiner is a tubby fascist!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
...the coaches may very well vote for USC, ...

The coaches are contractually obligated to vote the winner of the Sugar Bowl #1. Now, the writers can vote for whomever they wish. And USC will likely be the #1 team in both polls on Monday and would surely remain so in the AP poll with a Rose Bowl victory. So we're almost guaranteed a split championship this year.

84 posted on 12/06/2003 10:49:07 PM PST by kwyjibo
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To: Azzurri
"It could happen with a lackluster game in the Sugar Bowl"

The only problem with your argument is this little snippet.

If LSU and USC are in the Sugar Bowl almost any outcome would be considered anything but lackluster.

On the other hand, if OU goes to the Sugar Bowl, they'd have to win big to be convincing if LSU or USC runs over Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

The long and the short of it is that the system is seriously flawed. I'd much rather see teams with and 8 game streak (11-1 USC) and a 7 game streak (12-1 LSU) play for the Championship, than either against a team with a 1 game losing streak (12-1 OU).

If OU is in the Sugar Bowl after being twounced (35-7) by Kansas State (10-3) who lost 3 games in a row (Marshall, Texas, OKla St.) to end the season, that would be boring.

85 posted on 12/07/2003 12:41:05 AM PST by Positive
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To: doug from upland
Final: Boise State 45 - Hawaii 28...USC loses more strength of schedule ground.
86 posted on 12/07/2003 12:52:51 AM PST by Positive
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To: Euro-American Scum
USC Ping!
87 posted on 12/07/2003 12:59:39 AM PST by NRA2BFree
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To: Positive
Sports Illustrated is projecting OU vs LSU in the Sugar Bowl. USC got really hurt by Notre Dame and Hawaii losing. It could be USC vs LSU if the writers and coaches really punish Oklahoma by putting them in 4th place. But that is unlikely.
88 posted on 12/07/2003 4:53:29 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dennis1x
Not according to those "expert" pundits at ESPN, Mark May and Trev Alberts. They said it's possible for the team NOT playing in the Sugar Bowl to be voted 1st in both post season polls, resulting in a Co-National Championship.

I actually heard this same scenerio mentioned several weeks ago when Ohio State was still in the mix to go to the Sugar Bowl.

Now, THAT would be $crewed up!!!!!

89 posted on 12/07/2003 5:04:26 AM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: LisaMalia
Actually, the coaches are contractually obligated to pick the winner of the sugar bowl as #1. The writers can pick whomever they want.

Assume that Oklahoma and LSU play in the sugar bowl, and it's a dreary 6-3 game with LSU winning. USC blows out Michigan 35-3. LSU would be #1 in the coaches poll, they would pick USC #2. Then it would be flip flopped in the writers poll. LSU would still be the "official" champion, but not many people would be happy. Best scenario for the college people is that whomever doesn't go, loses in the other game. Otherwise, it's going to be very controversial.

90 posted on 12/07/2003 5:18:53 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Positive
Just amazing. The team that will be ranked No. 1 in the country is not playing for the championship.
91 posted on 12/07/2003 7:15:12 AM PST by doug from upland (Hillary would get 100% of the Islamist Terrorist vote)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
The screwiest thing about all of this is that a likely outcome (if USC is left out of the Sugar Bowl and wins the Rose Bowl) will be a split national championship. Which is exactly what the BCS was established to avoid.

College football has other problems the BCS can't help. The Big 12 and SEC play a conference championship game, while the PAC-10 and Big 10 don't. Leave out the conference championship, and no one would be arguing OU shouldn't be in the Sugar Bowl. Allowing some BCS conferences to give their regular season champion an easier path to the bowls is not something any system - inculding the old AP / Coaches polling system - can fix.

And a play off system is still going to have an arbitrary cut-off point where some 2 or 3 loss team playing hot at the end of the season will be left out, while some 2 or 3 loss team they soundly beat earlier in the season wins the championship. It will also take a lot of the excitement out of the regular season games.

Short answer - no system is going to please everyone.

92 posted on 12/07/2003 7:30:42 AM PST by Snuffington
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Hummmmm.....Seems that whiff of emotionalism messed your critical thinking skills up..(VBG)

Yeah, the BCS is a messed up deal. Yes, there should be a reasonable play-off system. But, OU isn't a fraud. And Stoops is well-respected.....by many throughout the nation.

Heck, a good/great argument could be made for KS St. playing the best football down the stretch. But's that's a subjective argument.......And sometimes the better team doesn't win.

Nice rant though.....although it's a typical illogical fan rant.

BTW, do you know why the corn in OK leans towards TX down near the border? Yeah, I think you do..!! Hehehehe

FWIW-

93 posted on 12/07/2003 7:36:14 AM PST by Osage Orange (Left is Right. Right is Wrong. Up is Down....And Down is now Up. Got that?)
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To: Azzurri
Oklahoma - LSU in the Sugar Bowl
Michigan - USC in the Rose Bowl

Sadly, that's the best scenario of a bad situation. Idiot Sooners. No national championship team should EVER lose a big game 35-7. Screw 'em. I changed my mind -- the game should be USC-LSU.

94 posted on 12/07/2003 7:41:38 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Hehehe- The SEC is the strongest division in football, but they rarely get a national championship cause they beat themselves up playing for their own conference championship... GO LSU!

Yeah right. Lousiana Monroe is really a tough opponent.

95 posted on 12/07/2003 7:50:43 AM PST by saminfl
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To: staytrue
It's my understanding that the National Champion is the winner of the BCS Nat'l Championship Game, regardless of what the polls say. I suppose a team could claim they're the champion according to a particular poll, but I believe NCAA records will only show the Sugar Bowl winner as the national champion this year.
96 posted on 12/07/2003 7:57:12 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Best line of your rant...

"Without a playoff, its all just figure skating. "

fwiw-

97 posted on 12/07/2003 8:03:25 AM PST by Osage Orange (Left is Right. Right is Wrong. Up is Down....And Down is now Up. Got that?)
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To: dennis1x
From ESPN:

Can the Sooners remain No. 1 in the BCS Standings without being ranked first in either of the two "human" polls? Is America staring at a split national championship? And is it really true that the final BCS Standings were determined by what happened in upstate New York earlier in the day, and in Honolulu in the wee hours of Sunday, Eastern time?

Yes.

98 posted on 12/07/2003 8:30:39 AM PST by LisaMalia (Buckeye Fan since birth!!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
I despise OU, but last night watching them get wupped I was a little torn. I really wanted the Horns to go to a bowl....
99 posted on 12/07/2003 8:40:41 AM PST by padfoot_lover
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Without a playoff, it's all just figure skating.

Precisely.

100 posted on 12/07/2003 10:16:57 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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