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God has One Foot Out the Door [Part 6: Taboo Topics, Kookophobes, and Hope]

Posted on 11/27/2003 11:02:23 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March

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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Re:
"...a nation that has the 10 Commandments placed in every public building,
a nation that says in one voice, "under God". Only then can we all feel just 
how warm the light of God's love can be to a nation
....."

People have to love one another in the manner God would want
and not be discriminatory in thought, for there to be "One Nation
under God". You simply cannot legislate the "warmth of God",
nor instill the "light of our Lord" by broadcasting it by way of
plaques, monuments and material that is not conducive to other's
beliefs. You can't brainwash people into Godliness; it is taught 
through example.

You discredit the State of Massachusetts and the people in it
[Re: an entire state not fit for children]? Attempting to provide 
of the same rights for all as Massachusetts has, should be welcomed
as the only proper manner in which to live life. It is the providing of
the same human rights; the same Constitutional rights to all. Isn't
that really God's wish.....to allow all beings the benefit of living
life in freedom of prejudice and hypocrisy?

Individuals that promote the "wrath of God" are only attempting to
control through fear. God does not control through fear; He is a
loving God that allows each of us to control ourselves through
our own God instilled conscience.

Instead of promoting bitterness as you do with statements
as "an entire state not fit for children", how much more effective
you would be, if you attempted to teach forgiveness and
compassion in the all-encompassing manner that God instills it into
each us at birth.

Thanks.

 

21 posted on 11/28/2003 4:52:33 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: WKB; Arthur Wildfire! March
Oh, come now, being educated is hardly akin to being lecherous. I have viewed much worse on the net after reading about one wacko group after another (NEA, PETA, ACLU, NARAL, ad nauseum) -- yes, it's difficult to read but we must know the enemy and it's wiles. And yes, I have felt the need (and followed through on same) to pray after reading some articles or visiting some lunatic site.

We at FR are 'free thinkers' -- are we to ignore what's going on in our culture? Are we to hear O'Reilly, Rush or whomever we listen to say 'NAMBLA is bad - really, really bad. They promote...whatever...on their website.' and then not see for ourselves? The sheeple do that - not me.

Yes, I've seen a lot of junk in the course of that - but I have also learned what my precious child could possibly encounter before it's too late. In time to address not only drinking and drugs and premarital sex -- but also the dangers of porn and other activities.

I've also seen outrageous opinions and values upheld by people/companies/organizations about which I gasped, 'I had no idea they endorsed that!!!' and I've been able to immediately take action.

That said -- of course I wouldn't want my child to read it -- but any young person intelligent and concerned enough to frequent FR has probably already seen much more than parents would want. Curiosity leads to quality learning every bit as often as it KOs the feline.

BTW, I'm only on cuppa-coffee #1, so please forgive any typos.
22 posted on 11/28/2003 8:39:28 AM PST by kimmie7 (PUSH = Pray Until Something Happens!)
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To: kimmie7
I agree with you, Kimmie. It's better to learn about these things for what they are (pragmatism), from their proponents, than to live in an idealistic, isolated world detached from reality.

It's no accident that "the preacher's daughter" too often becomes the most odious, the most rebellious, the most wicked girl in school. Having been shielded her whole life, she sees an opportunity to distinguish herself from her parents by embracing what is thought an intellecutally defensible and liberating life of licenteousness. In all her strict catechetical upbringing, she never learned where to place evil in her worldview.

23 posted on 11/28/2003 12:22:43 PM PST by Lexinom ("No society rises above its idea of God." -unknown)
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To: Elsie
Who do you want to 'trade' for him?
24 posted on 11/28/2003 4:48:27 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann Coulter speaks on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim
Just pointing out the world's mad cry........
25 posted on 11/29/2003 7:34:27 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Deep_6
Individuals that promote the "wrath of God" are only attempting to control through fear. God does not control through fear; He is a loving God that allows each of us to control ourselves through our own God instilled conscience.
 
Ok, but what of THESE directions from Paul?
 

1 Timothy 5:20
  Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4:2
   Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
 
Titus 1:13-14
 13.  This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
 14.  and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.
 
Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
 
As well as the words of Jesus...
 
 Revelation 3:19
   Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.
 
 
God does not control through fear....
Oh?  What would you call this??
 
 
Jonah 3
 
 1.  Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah a second time:
 2.  "Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you."
 3.  Jonah obeyed the word of the LORD and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very important city--a visit required three days.
 4.  On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned."
 5.  The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
 6.  When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.
 7.  Then he issued a proclamation in Nineveh:   "By the decree of the king and his nobles:   Do not let any man or beast, herd or flock, taste anything; do not let them eat or drink.
 8.  But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence.
 9.  Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish."
 10.  When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.
 
26 posted on 11/29/2003 7:46:04 PM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Deep_6
I am wondering why you think that promoting evil to children should not be condemned, and that those who condemn promoting evil to children aren't being "compassionate and forgiving."

I just don't get your viewpoint.

Some things ARE evil and it is evil to tolerate them.

Promoting same sex practices to children IS EVIL.
27 posted on 11/29/2003 8:05:10 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
Re:
"...I am wondering why you think that promoting evil to children 
should not be condemned,
...."

As far as "evil" in the context you are using it:

Condemnation through boycott is fine; condemnation through legislation
is a governmental banning of a free speech component and is unconstitutional.

"..Some things ARE evil and it is evil to tolerate them.....
.....Promoting same sex practices to children IS EVIL
......"

As far as the "in public" context you suggest:

Teaching a child that it is not evil to be whoever they are, is more
important than serving your own Pseudo-Holy Righteousness needs and
telling them it is EVIL to be who they are.

Most gays know there is something different about them by age 5. 
It is my belief that some people are born with homosexual tendencies.
I am among millions of individuals with that belief, including the majority
of the medical profession. Those wishing to "convert" or "modify behavior"
do so with great risk and peril; the result usually resulting with an asexual
individual suffering from self-hatred, depression and suicidal tendencies.

Yes, it's been long documented, contrary to the opinion of the bigots.

 

 

28 posted on 11/30/2003 5:30:44 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Elsie
Quoting from the Bible; a book written by mortal man, with faults,
and prejudices, means nothing to a person that is agnostic.

I believe Christ taught to love man for all ways;
That God is a loving God that should never bring fear to anyone's heart;
That God is an all-forgiving God that serves all man and beast;
That there is only one God, not many;
He is the same God for all, serving all man, regardless of religion;
That our God does not punish, but only shows the way;
Those that do not follow -ever- may never reach the end, perhaps
living life over and over, in all it's hell that it can become for them.

To teach to fear God, is to teach hatred. That is obvious to me;
I wish that was obvious to all.

God loves you as He does me, Have a great Sunday.

 

29 posted on 11/30/2003 5:44:37 AM PST by Deep_6
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To: Deep_6
...means nothing to a person that is agnostic.

Ah... but to ME, an agnostic is one who admits to not knowing, but is willing to learn.

Therefore.........

I post, knowing that

Isaiah 55
10. As the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return to it without watering the earth and making it bud and flourish, so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11. so is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty, but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

30 posted on 11/30/2003 11:28:31 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Deep_6
That our God does not punish, but only shows the way;

Then this God you believe in is not the One revealed in the Bible........

31 posted on 11/30/2003 11:30:20 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Deep_6
...perhaps living life over and over, ...

But, is, perhaps, the one revealed to Hindus....

32 posted on 11/30/2003 11:33:07 AM PST by Elsie (Don't believe every prophecy you hear: especially *** ones........)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; All
God is still on the throne. Probably one of the things that comforts me more than anything else during a problem or crisis, is the fact that God is still on His throne. He didn't get off to take a nap, or go watch sports, or hit the refrigerator. He is there, in total control of all that is going on. That of course begs the question, why does He allow terrible things to happen if He is really on the throne.

Remember, God does not cause evil, or encourage it, but does allow it to happen as He did in the case of Job. It was only with God's permission that the devil was able to do what he did to Job. Why does God allow bad things to happen? Men much wiser than I can argue that one, but I do know one day God will wipe away all sin and evil from this world.

That leads me to the great verse that assures us God will not give us more than we can bear. He knows our breaking point. Those two truths, God in control at all times and He will never give me more than I can bear, get me through the difficult times in life.

33 posted on 11/30/2003 11:38:31 AM PST by Gone_Postal
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Another part of the problem for this once-free republic . . .

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency, to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.”
-- Alexander Tyler, on the Fall of the Athenian Republic

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34 posted on 11/30/2003 12:11:55 PM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: GeekDejure
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"....A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government........"

Your quote's nice, but moot.

This Nation is founded upon a constitutional republican government.

Majority does not rule; our Constitution does.

 

 

35 posted on 11/30/2003 9:45:14 PM PST by Deep_6
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To: kimmie7
Thanks for the 'ping' kimmie7!
36 posted on 12/15/2003 5:36:29 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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