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UNEMPLOYMENT and the BUSH v GORE MAP ANALYSIS
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Posted on 11/24/2003 12:10:19 PM PST by 11th_VA

Interesting map of Unemployment in last week's Time magazine. Looks like unemployment may not be much of an issue in PA, IA, MN (states lost by Bush), but could be in other areas. Feel free to comment:



TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Minnesota; US: North Carolina; US: South Carolina; US: Texas; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bluezone; bushrecovery; election; electionmap; electionmaps; electoralvotes; ev; jobmarket; map; maps; poll; polls; redzone

1 posted on 11/24/2003 12:10:19 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
If you want to really list it, WA, OR, CA, NM, IL, WI, MI and NY are all Gore states with higher unemployment than other states. Out of those states, Karl Rove definitely has his eye on WI, OR and NM as very close states in easy reach of Bush winning.

I do not believe the rest are truly in play. WA could be in play before CA or MI.
2 posted on 11/24/2003 12:22:44 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
Iowa will also be a tossup.
3 posted on 11/24/2003 12:23:35 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: 11th_VA
Great Maps but on those States that lost most jobs, how many have Dem. governors? HUMMMMMM?
4 posted on 11/24/2003 12:24:20 PM PST by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: 11th_VA
Manufacturing has been dying in this country for a long time. Free trade has of course hurt becuase countries with cheap labor will of course get the jobs over countries where it is expensive to live and work. Nothing new here. And now we have the same problem with programmer types of jobs that are outsourced to cheaper code- manufacturing countries.

The question is what do we do about it? Protectionism? Where does it stop?

Self-restraint, stop buying imports? I don't see that happening, either.

The Democrats have no better plan and proved it during the last administration.

5 posted on 11/24/2003 12:34:08 PM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
"The question is what do we do about it? Protectionism? Where does it stop? Self-restraint, stop buying imports? I don't see that happening, either. The Democrats have no better plan and proved it during the last administration. "

LOW TAXES! that's the only thing that can restore comptetiveness. Tax, regulate and die!

6 posted on 11/24/2003 12:40:54 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: finnman69
Karl Rove definitely has his eye on WI, OR and NM as very close states in easy reach of Bush winning.

What about IO, PA, MN ??? In play ???

7 posted on 11/24/2003 12:44:36 PM PST by 11th_VA (If you can read this IN ENGLISH - Thank a Veteran !!!)
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To: 11th_VA
But, this is too easy to turn around into a liability:

"It's Bush's fault - see, his policies intentionally punish the states that didn't vote for him."
8 posted on 11/24/2003 12:48:20 PM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: 11th_VA
well, we were talking about states with higher unemployment according to that map.
9 posted on 11/24/2003 12:49:13 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
Iowa will also be a tossup.

Iowa just got lighter on the map. Latest unemployment number for Iowa is 4%

10 posted on 11/24/2003 12:49:38 PM PST by trad_anglican
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To: 11th_VA

OPEN ASSIGNMENT
MISSION TO SAVE AMERICAN JOBS
November 23, 2003

President Bush:

Mr. President your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to recover the 3+ million jobs lost on your watch. You are to find where they went, recover them, and prevent this from happening again.

You have until November 2004 to complete this mission.

If you choose not to accept this mission, or are incapable of performing, don't run in the GOP Primary so another Republican can accept this important mission for America.

American Citizen Voter

PS Ronald Reagan was the last Republican to understand. Ross Perot sent a warning to your Dad but since then all we hear is the mantra, 'Perot gave us Clinton'. Actually your Dad gave us Perot.

11 posted on 11/24/2003 12:51:21 PM PST by ex-snook (Americans need Balanced Trade - we buy from you, you buy from us. No free rides.)
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To: FastCoyote
Excellent, succinct analysis.
12 posted on 11/24/2003 1:09:45 PM PST by LS
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To: ex-snook
zzzzzzzzzz

Over 3 million, huh? Wow, that number goes up every other week.

13 posted on 11/24/2003 1:16:49 PM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: 11th_VA
...and statistics never lie???
14 posted on 11/24/2003 1:25:39 PM PST by Digger
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To: finnman69
when you think about the vote in MI you have to believe that some of the old regan folks will come back to President Bush this time and thos 18 will make some others look great around 8 pm eastern time.
15 posted on 11/24/2003 3:15:57 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: 11th_VA
GWB has to hold onto Ohio, Indiana and Florida. That's it. Due to reapportionment he can afford to lose New Hampshire and Nevada and still end up in a tie at 269 providing he wins all the other states that he won in 2000. Most of those states he won by double digits so I am not too worried about his chances. He can spend the vast majority of his time campaigning in those three states-and maybe trying to pick off states like Oregon, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Iowa and Pennsylvania. The Dems have and uphill fight ahead of them and they know it. I don't see a single candidate among the current bunch who is up to the task.
16 posted on 11/24/2003 5:46:55 PM PST by 91B (NCNG-C/Co 161st ASMB-deployed to theater since April 19th)
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To: 11th_VA
It's important to look at change in unemployment. Some states have historically higher unemployment (Washington). Some have historically lower (Minnesota). States where jobs are coming back (being created) quickly, good. States where they're not, bad.

Jeb has done SO much for his brother by governing Florida like he has, with the economy booming and all. I don't think it'll be a tossup state at this point. I see Arkansas and Louisiana as on par with or easier targets than Florida for the Democrats, which is awesome.

17 posted on 11/25/2003 10:05:51 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Colgate Raiders Football -- 12-0 and headed to the playoffs)
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To: 91B
GWB has to hold onto Ohio, Indiana and Florida. That's it.

Indiana is safe. Ohio could be more of a problem (only if the election's close, of course). Arizona and Nevada, too. But you're right, Bush gets to poach the left coast, southwest, and the whole Midwest across to Pennsylvania and West Virginia as the Rat nominee runs hither and thither sticking his finger in the dyke.

18 posted on 11/25/2003 10:10:40 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Colgate Raiders Football -- 12-0 and headed to the playoffs)
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