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New Evidence in Kennedy Killing (Dallas not Mass)
History Channel ^ | Image of an Assassination

Posted on 11/22/2003 9:36:29 AM PST by keving

Did anyone see the show on the History Channel about the archiving of the Zapruder film?

"Image of an Assassination"

Saturday, November 22 @ 8am ET/PT

On November 22, 1963, Dallas dress manufacturer Abraham Zapruder brought his movie camera to film President John F. Kennedy's motorcade for his grandchildren. As it turned out, Zapruder captured one of the 20th century's most important documents. In 1997, two media companies created a digital replica of the original, which is presented here, along with Zapruder's business associates, photography experts, and National Archives employees, who piece together the history of the crucial 26-second film. TV PG-V

It was very interesting. The most revealing part was that the frames that claim to be the Zapruder film are cropped copies of the original (1/3 to 1/2 screen).

The best part of the film is that the "fatal" blow when Kennedy's head explodes is cleary shown traveling from the side of the limo - grassy knoll area.

The "expanded" version or original version of the film included the trajectory of the bullet which could not be indicated on the cropped photo version.

Please view programs - it is very clear.

(Excerpt) Read more at historychannel.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: assassination; conspiracy; jfk; zapruder
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1 posted on 11/22/2003 9:36:30 AM PST by keving
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To: keving
The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front.
2 posted on 11/22/2003 9:43:02 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
I'm telling you: that was not the original version! It was cropped. The actual film shows the bullet from the side also, not just from the back.
3 posted on 11/22/2003 9:47:58 AM PST by keving
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To: keving
Your link only goes to the history ch. not links to film
photos.
4 posted on 11/22/2003 9:52:10 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: keving
I have a question for any freeper out there:

On the day that Desert Storm began in January of 1991, there was a headline in the news of a young man in Texas who found some information in his deceased Uncles attic having to do with JFK's murder.

I remember seeing this (I was in a hotel room in Kona, watching their local news) and wanting to see the followup on it. All they showed was this mid-20's male sitting at a table with allot of mics in front of him, saying that he had inherited his Uncles belongings, and found some important info on the JFK murder, and that he would release it the next day after going thru it all. It was said that it was info no one had released before and pointed to the conspiracy behind it, with the assasins name.

Well, that night Desert Storm began, and I am unable to find anything on that guy, anywhere.

Anyone have info on this?
5 posted on 11/22/2003 9:53:24 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: farmfriend
FARMFRIEND WROTE: "The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front."

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That video shot always made me think that the bullet came from the FRONT---i.e. that the incoming force of the shot from the FRONT (e.g. from grassy knoll) pushed his head BACK, not that the bullet came in through the BACK and exited out the FRONT causing his head to move BACK.

As someone who has unfortunately been the victim of a massive brutal assault to the head, it doesn't make ANY sense to me that as someone is hit that the head would move TOWARD what hit it. Mine sure didn't! But I was hit by a guy's FISTS, not by a BULLET.

6 posted on 11/22/2003 10:00:58 AM PST by Concerned
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
REDBLOODEDAMERICAN WROTE: "On the day that Desert Storm began in January of 1991, there was a headline in the news of a young man in Texas who found some information in his deceased Uncles attic having to do with JFK's murder."

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Please ping me if you hear anything about that. Thanks!

7 posted on 11/22/2003 10:03:52 AM PST by Concerned
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To: leadpenny
Pinging you to # 5.
8 posted on 11/22/2003 10:09:36 AM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: Concerned
NOVA did a great documentary on this whole thing. Including the mystery bullet. They showed army test footage. The tests were done on melons, the closest thing you can get to a human head without using human heads. All the melons, when shot, jumped towards the bullet. Apparently the penetrating bullet exerts little force on the melon. The large explosive blowout that occurs as the bullet exits does create a force causing the melon to jump.

They did testing on what bullets do when they penetrate the human body as well. They fired into gelatin. Those bullets did the most remarkable dances you have ever seen. The only thing they didn't do is travel in a straight line.

That said, we may never really know what happened to Kennedy. I did see the documentary they were showing recently suggesting that Johnston killed him. I also think that it has absolutely no relevance to today.

9 posted on 11/22/2003 10:15:06 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: keving
Frame-by-frame description of the Zapruder film.
Frame # Event
140 The car turns on to Elm street.
145 [Some people interpret the first shot as having been fired at this point]
151-153 [Some people interpret the first shot as having been fired at this point]
154-155 Kennedy turns his head very rapidly from left to right.
158-160 Zapruder jiggled his camera. [Numerous "Ear-witnesses" recall the first shot being about this point, when the car has just turned the corner onto Elm Street]
160 The little girl who is running next to the Car begins to turn to her right.
162 The little girl has stopped running. Kennedy stops waving. Connally turns his head sharply to the right.
??? James Tague is struck by a piece of flying cement while standing under the end of the triple by-pass. [along a straight line, through the oak tree and the School Book Depository window. A mark in the cement along that line revealed traces of lead and antimony, suggesting that the round had lost its copper jacket -- which can happen when striking a tree branch]
167-210 Foliage blocks a School Book Depository sniper's view of Kennedy (with a small break at 186), according to reconstructions (2.3 seconds). Branches had given partial visual cover for some time before that.
187 (1.5 seconds after frame 160) The little girl has stopped and is staring at the SBD. Kennedy starts waving again. Mrs. Kennedy is looking around.
189-197 Zapruder jiggles his camera again.
188-191(190) [House Select Committee suggests that this is the point at which Kennedy was hit. This is the traditionally held time for that the second shot hit him. Many people believe that this shot was a front shot from a smaller weapon than the 6.5 mm Carcano]
200 No one in the car appears hurt. Kennedy is waving to the crowd with his right hand.
200-224 Zapruder's view of Kennedy is blocked by a highway sign. Even during this time, Kennedy's hand can still be seen over the sign.
202 Phillip Willis's photograph showing Zapruder was shot here.
207 Witness Howard Brennan turns abruptly to the right.
210 As Kennedy becomes visible from the foliage, this is the first opportunity that an SBD sniper would have a chance to fire.
220-228 Zapruder jiggles his camera.
223-224 Probable time that Kennedy was first hit. [At this point, the positions of the two men, Kennedy's leaning slightly forward, and the much taller Connally twisted to the right, with his hand in front of him, holding his hat at lower chest level, make it possible for a single bullet to enter Kennedy's back, pass through his lower throat, into Connally's right back, glance downward off a rib, exit under his right nipple, and enter his left thigh coming to rest, drained of energy, just below the skin.]
224 The right front lapel on Connally's suit flips up as the bullet passed through his chest.
225 Kennedy becomes visible to Zapruder again, his right arm is resting on the edge of the car, having just relaxed from waving. Connally shows no obvious effects.
226 Kennedy is clearly raising his right arm. Conally becomes rigid, and changed his expression [The House Select Committee suggests that this is the point at which Connally was hit based on his facial features and body position.]
227 Kennedy's arm jerks off the car, clearly reacting to the throat shot [This is a clear case of "Thorburn's Position", as his body reacts to the spinal damage caused by the hydrostatic shock of the bullet passing so close to the spine in 223-4. This is supported by the fact that his arms are locked into position until 313] (1/10-2/10 of a second after 223-4) Connally's hat (held in his right hand) begins to move in a reflex response to his radius bone being broken)
228 Kennedy's torso pitches forward suddenly (to 231)
229 Connally's hat drops to its original position.
229-233 Mrs. Connally claimed her husband was shot about this time.
231-234 Connally told the Warren Commission that this was when he remembered being hit.
231 Kennedy stops moving forward.
234 Connally later determines it was at this point. [This is likely when Connally tried to take his next regular breath, the lung punctured only 2/3s of a second before collapsed, and making him feel like he'd just been hit; or, he IS hit at this point and his lung collapses at this point].
235 Connally's mouth opens wide and his body begins to react to the collapsed lung, drawing him down and to the right.
255 Estimated point at which Ike Altgens' picture is shot [showing what appears to be Oswald in the SBD doorway, and an open window in the second floor Dal-Tex broom closet. It also appears to show the crack in the windshield left by bullet fragments (see 337) ].
309?- Zapruder jiggles his camera.
312 Kennedy's head pitches forward suddenly.
313 The 161.2 grain slug, travelling at 2,100 feet per second smacks into the right occipital area of Kennedy's head, shattering the occipital bone and generating tremendous force in the flesh of the brain. The upper right side of his head explodes, blowing brains and bit of bone in an expanding pink cloud. The pieces of the parietal and temporal sections of his skull remain attached by skin, and so fall back into place, creating the appearance of an intact skull. His head lurches back to the left (8.0-8.4 seconds after the first shot) as his body stiffens suddenly from the massive neurological damage, and possibly aggravated by his back brace, or, if you wish, studies have also shown that the head flying back and to the left is also possible because of the matter ejected by the right side of his head exploding in a simple Newtonian happening. The film clearly shows the back of the head to be clean.
by 320 The two officers riding (to the left?) behind the car are splattered with bood and brains, after driving up to and passing through the cloud blown out of the President. (allegedly, a section of Kennedy's right occipital bone was found by Billy Harper, some 35 feet to the left and rear of the impact point
321 Kennedy is slumped to his left, the right parietal area of his skull completely exposed.
337 Kennedy is sliding into Mrs. Kennedy's lap, much of the flesh and bone of his skull hanging hinged by the skin. Two large bullet fragments were found in the car (44.6 and 21.0 grains = 65.6 grains) after they dented some chrome and damaged the windshield, and a "pristine" (Magic) bullet at the hospital (158.6 grains). The average weight of a 6.5 mm Carcano bullet is 161.2 grains. The six fragments removed from Connally would have weighed not more than 1.5 grains all together.

10 posted on 11/22/2003 10:16:17 AM PST by Wolfstar (An angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
I believe that this may be the same guy who was in the documentary they have been showing the last few days. The one showing that Johnston killed him.
11 posted on 11/22/2003 10:17:52 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
Ok, thanks. I havent been paying attention to when it aired; will it air again?
You got mail..
12 posted on 11/22/2003 10:23:49 AM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: farmfriend
"The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front."

Which clearly means that if you believe the Warren Commission's findings, the magic pristine bullet found on the stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, then I have some swamp land to sell you. Your statement also shows that you have very little knowledge of physics, or trajectory, or shooting at all for that matter. The way the spray comes off of Kennedy's head clearly delineates a frontal shot. His head snapping back means that it was a reaction to a force being applied from the front somewhere! Its Newton's 3rd Law - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. And accounts of one of the surgeons (Dr. Charles A. Crenshaw) who operating on Kennedy in the Emergency Room at Parkland Hospital that day stated that there was no bullet hole in the back of the cranium. He should know!

No, it was all wrapped up in too neat of a package by the Warren Commission. I was only a kid of eight years old at the time of the assassination, but there has been a lot of evidence come to light in the last 10 years that leads to a conspiracy being the cause of death. The lone assassin thing is all smoke and mirrors, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the fall guy for something much larger. It was a Coup d'tat staged at the highest levels of government. There was too much covered up for too long. You would think that the surgeons performing the autopsy would've been the top ones in that field of medicine, but they used a couple of Naval surgeons who had little, if any experience performing an autopsy prior to Kennedy's (which would've been the most important for forensic findings) during his career. No, there are too many new questions created by the Warren Commission's findings. And I do agree that the first shot, where Kennedy clutches his throat came from the rear, but the kill shot came from the front!

13 posted on 11/22/2003 10:25:01 AM PST by Colt .45 (Cold War, Vietnam Era, Desert Storm Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry!)
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To: farmfriend
I heard an interview with the man who is releasing his book that PROVES LBJ had alot to do with JFK's murder. This man's name is Barr McClellan. His son is Scott McClellan, GWB's press secretary, he said!!

It was a very convincing interview!

g

14 posted on 11/22/2003 10:25:55 AM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: keving
If I remember correctly, the magic bullet theory was posited by Arlen Specter.

For his contribution he was rewarded with a political career.

Much like Clark was rewarded for keeping quiet after his involvement in WACO and his incorrect recommendations on Rwanda, those who play with the powers that be get rewards.

15 posted on 11/22/2003 10:28:39 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
That History channel link could probably tell you when and if it will air again. I have seen it on twice already.
16 posted on 11/22/2003 10:34:58 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
On the day that Desert Storm began in January of 1991, there was a headline in the news of a young man in Texas who found some information in his deceased Uncles attic having to do with JFK's murder.

There was a piece on the History Channel last night with the wife of the mortician that was called away for 26 hrs, hinting at the makeover in later photos. It mentioned a letter he left after his death?

17 posted on 11/22/2003 10:37:16 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Colt .45
Don't be an ass. Don't jump to conclusions about what I said and read my post number 9.
18 posted on 11/22/2003 10:37:26 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
here it is
Next Airing: Saturday, Nov 22 @ 7:30pm ET/PT
19 posted on 11/22/2003 10:39:28 AM PST by junebug58
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To: keving
Hey Red Blooded American, please let me know if you find out.

Also, I cut out an article published in the local newspaper in July 21, 1992, for future posterity since I'm somewhat of a conspiracy buff. Listed below is word-for-word the article:

OSWARD RECALLED AS WEAK, BAD SHOT

MOSCOW--A Russian who said he knew Lee Harvey Oswald in the former Soviet Union recalled the assassin of President John F. Kennedy as a man of weak character and a poor marksman, a magazine reported.

The Russian, identified as Pavel Golovachev made the comments in an interview to be printed in "Echo of the Planet," which is published by the ITAR-Tass news agency.

The interview discloses nothing about the assssination, but offers glimpses about Oswald's time in the former Soviet Union from the late 1950s until 1962.

Golovachev told the magazine he met Oswald in the Belarussian capital of Minsk while they worked in the same factory there.

"My attitude to Oswald was the same as if he were an extraterrestrial. It was interesting for me to know what this American was like," he was quoted as saying. Golovachev said he found Oswald to be "a weak man, not very bright or intellectual."

The magazine quoted him as saying that Oswald at one point bought a hunting gun and joined a Soviet hunters' club, but that he rarely attended training sessions and was a bad shot.

"He failed to hit the target even once," Golovachev told the magazine.

20 posted on 11/22/2003 10:41:56 AM PST by lilylangtree
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