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To: keving
The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front.
2 posted on 11/22/2003 9:43:02 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: farmfriend
I'm telling you: that was not the original version! It was cropped. The actual film shows the bullet from the side also, not just from the back.
3 posted on 11/22/2003 9:47:58 AM PST by keving
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To: farmfriend
FARMFRIEND WROTE: "The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front."

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That video shot always made me think that the bullet came from the FRONT---i.e. that the incoming force of the shot from the FRONT (e.g. from grassy knoll) pushed his head BACK, not that the bullet came in through the BACK and exited out the FRONT causing his head to move BACK.

As someone who has unfortunately been the victim of a massive brutal assault to the head, it doesn't make ANY sense to me that as someone is hit that the head would move TOWARD what hit it. Mine sure didn't! But I was hit by a guy's FISTS, not by a BULLET.

6 posted on 11/22/2003 10:00:58 AM PST by Concerned
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To: farmfriend
"The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front."

Which clearly means that if you believe the Warren Commission's findings, the magic pristine bullet found on the stretcher at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, then I have some swamp land to sell you. Your statement also shows that you have very little knowledge of physics, or trajectory, or shooting at all for that matter. The way the spray comes off of Kennedy's head clearly delineates a frontal shot. His head snapping back means that it was a reaction to a force being applied from the front somewhere! Its Newton's 3rd Law - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. And accounts of one of the surgeons (Dr. Charles A. Crenshaw) who operating on Kennedy in the Emergency Room at Parkland Hospital that day stated that there was no bullet hole in the back of the cranium. He should know!

No, it was all wrapped up in too neat of a package by the Warren Commission. I was only a kid of eight years old at the time of the assassination, but there has been a lot of evidence come to light in the last 10 years that leads to a conspiracy being the cause of death. The lone assassin thing is all smoke and mirrors, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the fall guy for something much larger. It was a Coup d'tat staged at the highest levels of government. There was too much covered up for too long. You would think that the surgeons performing the autopsy would've been the top ones in that field of medicine, but they used a couple of Naval surgeons who had little, if any experience performing an autopsy prior to Kennedy's (which would've been the most important for forensic findings) during his career. No, there are too many new questions created by the Warren Commission's findings. And I do agree that the first shot, where Kennedy clutches his throat came from the rear, but the kill shot came from the front!

13 posted on 11/22/2003 10:25:01 AM PST by Colt .45 (Cold War, Vietnam Era, Desert Storm Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry!)
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To: farmfriend
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I'm going to be pretty frank here about what I have observed regarding the Zapruder film.  It serves to explain why I believe Kennedy's most violent blow was initiated from above, behind and to the right of him.  If you have a weak stomach or would prefer not to read my clinical comments, please stop here.

A close review of the Zapruder film on a number of occasions over the years (on the television) has caused me to believe that what I was observing was a blowing away of Kennedy's facial tissue.  Look rather closely and I believe that you will notice the same thing.

Jackie was looking right into his face from his left side as his hands were reaching for his throat area.  Just then another violent blow struck Kennedy, this time appearing to cause a rip in Kennedy's facial tissue on his left side from approximately his left temple to his chin or neck area.  As a result of this dynamic, it appears to me that his facial tissue was blown forward and momentarily to the right before it rebounded back to roughly it's original location.

A physical blow delivered by a round from the right rear above would apply the most pressure to the left opposing side of Kennedy's head.

I'm not saying shots were not fired from the grassy knoll, but it's my opinion that the most severe shot came form the school book depository window.

Some have mentioned the dynamic of a head or melon moving toward the entry point.  I've seen the same studies on television.  I think they are valid.  It's the facial tissue dynamic that has caused me to believe that the bullet trajectory in question was top right rear to bottom left front.  
26 posted on 11/22/2003 10:59:15 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: farmfriend
His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front.

And the bullet exiting the front caused those behind JFK to be showered with his brains?

BTW, many thanks for putting me on your ping list for things historical.

32 posted on 11/22/2003 11:53:27 AM PST by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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To: farmfriend
The Zapruder film I have seen clearly shows a shot from behind. His head snaps back and to the left from the force of the bullet exitting the front.

Those of us still alive in 50 years will still be talking about the same things we are today. Without the Zapruder film, we would be talking about 1000 other things. The film, along with physical evidence from the limo and areas near the limo, clearly points to the fatal shot coming from the the right front of the President. The melons and gelaton used it tests sited on subsequent replies in this post were not attached to the bulk of a human body, much less one held upright by a back brace such as the one JFK was wearing that day. The head-snap in the film is an extremely violent movement, similar to someone being hit in the face with a baseball bat. The mass of his head would not have been forced back like it was from "blowout". Regardless of the head movement in the film, a shot from the rear would have blown large quantities of blood, tissue, bone and brain matter onto the back of Connally's seat, and into the front of the limo. This did not happen. The trunk of the limo was covered with this matter, and Mrs. Kennedy even climbed onto the trunk to retrieve a piece of her husband's skull. The motorcycle policeman behind and to the left of the limo was also sprayed with large quantities of material from the President's head. His face and windshield were covered with it. A piece of the President's skull was also found the next day in the grass behind and to the left of where JFK was shot the day before. This "spray" of matter from JFK's fatal wound is NOT consistant with a shot from the rear. The "blowout" discussed by proponents of head shot from the rear would have blown everything forward, not to the left-rear. You can't have it both ways. Unless the laws of physics were suspended that day, the shot that killed JFK had to come from the front and to the right of the Presidential limo.

39 posted on 11/22/2003 12:34:28 PM PST by ALASKA (That's my own personal, correct, opinion and I'm sticking with it!)
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To: farmfriend
You describe a physical immpossibility. Think of two cars hitting - car A hits car B. If car A is travelling east, would car B suddenly jump west?

There is no "force" from a bullet exiting the body - it's not like a self-propelled rocket. It is a mass with simple inertia and anything it hits moves in the same direction - not opposite.

54 posted on 11/22/2003 2:01:30 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: farmfriend
Ihave seen this many times too, and clearly, the film shows a shot from behind, as evidenced by the head snapping back as the bullet comes out of the front of his head.

Probably the most amazing thing about the cult of kennedy conspiracy is how the proponents sometimes loose sight of the obvious. I read something yesterday that insisited it was 'impossible' for the assasin to get off his shots and go down four floors to a soda machine in about 80 seconds.

In fact, 80 seconds, to anyone who bothers to pay attention for 80 seconds, is plenty of time to do a lot of things. They insist with wide eyed wonder how something like that could be possible, when it's obvious to anyone in average health that they could come down 4 flights of stairs and walk across a hall to a sode machine in well under 80 seconds and not be notably winded in any respect.

Only 80 seconds, they say!!! Some of my most tender romantic memories lasted about 80 seconds, for example! ;-)
61 posted on 11/22/2003 2:24:56 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: farmfriend

Kennedy's head moved forward on impact. Put your cursor on a object in the car and then on his head and measure it yourself.

Also there is no spray rear of the ear. It's a rear shot with white matter going upward and red mist forward.

128 posted on 11/24/2003 1:27:20 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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