Morford: The Love That Killed America (Bible-clutching homophobes recoil, violently to gay marriage)

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Wednesday, November 19, 2003 | Mark Morford, Always a Bridesmaid

[presidio9]

The gays are marching in. The end is near. Sheer unadulterated evil and scary anal sex and superlative hair products and new blasts of fresh happy love are to be unleashed anew upon the country. Horror is nigh. Everyone into the bunker.

[kinsman redeemer]

Parts fit together for a reason.

[Truth Table]

And, verily, the fear among the gay community is that the issue's amazing momentum could backfire, could divide the nation even more violently and drive more confused citizens straight into the fearmongering tentacles of the hate-filled Right.

READ: Uh Oh. Joe and Jill 6 pack are paying attention, and are not too happy...37 states already have "marriage protection" in their constititions (Damn those homophobe "breeders"). How many states must radify a ammendment to the constitution? OOOOOPS. Quick, someone call Lawerence Tribe. File a motion. Quuuuuuiiiiccckkk

[Ssrn53]

Mark Morford is sausage sucking, fudge packing Sodomite who's turned on by the smell of feces. Morford better wake up and smell the brimstone.

[Durus]

"This is exactly how our government was set up. Powers that do not fall under the state are delegated to the federal government. It's in the constitution.

Huh? 10th Amendment The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The federal government was given limited powers to perform certain functions. Any power not specifically ceded to the federal government, by the people, are reserved for the States or the people themselves.

That does not mean the state has unlimited powers either. The State only has the powers granted to it, again by the people, in the state constitution. All other rights are reserved to the people. That includes the ability to enter into agreement and contracts (vows)..., which is what marriage is.

Now you may not like the idea of gay marriage, but the simple fact of the matter is that the government has no authority over marriage whatsoever.

[Truth Table]

...The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people....

Yes. Thanks for the clairfication. How mortifing!!

However, I do not think it takes away from my central argument in this regard, Nor do I disagree with yours.

Ammendments, voted on by the people, and enacted through their legislatures, grant authority the government Jursdiction in whatever matter the people decide (including marriage definition). An ammendment will be necessary in light of current events in Mass.

This is about marriage as an institution, not "Gay Marriage"

Again, thanks for bringing up the 10th. I think the rest of my argrments in this regard are okay.

[RightOnline]

No, son, I won't "try you". Your lack of knowledge of the origins of your country and its laws shines through, and I'm FAR too damned busy to "try you", interrogate you, educate you, enlighten you. You should have paid attention.......or better yet, you should take the time to actually LEARN about your heritage instead of spouting such things.

Now, I'll save you the trouble: Here's the part where you come back, in a snotty tone, and say something akin to "Hmmmm.........so you won't try me? Afraid to debate?"

[T.Smith]

Now, I'll save you the trouble: Here's the part where you come back, in a snotty tone, and say something akin to "Hmmmm.........so you won't try me? Afraid to debate?"

It's obvious you know nothing about me and wouldn't bother to find out either. I can see that talking to you would be tiresome in the extreme, so I don't think I'll try.

[nosofar]

Parts fit together for a reason.

Good tagline. :)

[finnman69]

[gogeo]

We let people who can't have children marry. We allow people who choose not to have children marry. From my knowledge, procreation has never been required to legally sanction a marriage.

Yet, that is why marriage is sanctioned and defined, for the purpose of children. That some married couples do not have children does not change that purpose; they get a free ride, so to speak. It would be too difficult in a practical sense to enforce that.

[gogeo]

Once again, no it isn't. There is no legal requirement that a couple have children in order to be married. We allow people who can't, because of disability, have children get married. We allow people who choose not to have children get married. Should we ban those folks from getting married because "it's about reproduction?"

There's no practical way to enforce that.

[gogeo]

There isn't. I wouldn't mind there being no governmental involvement in the marriage issue. However, when the government grants benefits based on marriage, it is important that we do not discriminate against certain folks without a compelling state interest.

I think you may be looking at it backward; we've seen the unintended consequences from the well intentioned tinkering with marriage and family law over the past 50 years. Family is basic to society. If you want to tinker with it, show there will be no unintended consequences. "Why not?" doesn't cut it.

[gogeo]

We agree here. But we disagree because I don't feel that homosexuality will break down the strong working family foundation.

That's nice that you feel that way, but what's your rational case?

[gogeo]

The 12 year old cannot rationally consent to marriage. The child is also under the control of a father and therefore the marriage would be considered coercive in both ways. The analogy would not apply.

We allow that 12 year old to choose an abortion...besides, there are many cultures which advocate marriage at age 12. Do you have a "rational" basis for inposing your beliefs there?

[RightOnline]

Go bone up on your history..........then come back. We'll talk. You'll 'get it' after you do.

[Kay Soze]

We are an amoral nation.

We allow abortion.

We want homosexuality.

We scorn worship of God.

We're nuts to think God will continue to bless this nation.