US Constitutiona Amendment to Save Marriage...NOW!

Self | 11-18-03 | Always Right

[Always Right]

Now that the Mass. Supreme Court has acted to force the legislature to adopt gay marriage, the time is now for Republicans to act to save this most basic institution of this country. We need a US Constitutional Amendment to save us from activist courts who assult religion and basic family values. The public will be outraged over this and the GOP must capitolize on it. The GOP must put the Democrats in a bind. Oppose the Amendment and lose their base, or support it and expose themselves as the radicals they are.

Now is the time to act. Put this issue at the forefront for the next election. Don't just make it an issue, make it a real topic with real Amendments that are gonna be passed.

[newgeezer]

The Bible codes are speaking

[red flag spotted] Hmm... I recently stumbled upon a "Bible Codes" discussion on overnight talk radio just last week. Allegedly, your so-called Bible codes also point to some sort of catastrophic event to happen in this country (and around the world? I don't remember; I was trying to sleep) on July 4, 2004.

I guess we'll see. Admittedly, I'm considering selling all my stock holdings on or about July 1 (just in case there's any merit to that stuff).

The guy also said the Tribulation is supposed to start later in 2004. Nothing on earth could please me more (obviously, I'm a pre-Tribber ;O). Got a date for that?

[concerned about politics]

Sounds like you've spent considerable time conducting intimate field research. Protesteth too much . . .

Nope. I read the FR threads. It's all in the archives.

[concerned about politics]

[red flag spotted] Hmm... I recently stumbled upon a "Bible Codes" discussion on overnight talk radio

Some try to use the software on the King James verson. DUH! It's translated! Believe me, they're kooks. It has to be done with the original texts.
Anyway, It'll never predict the end. No man knows the day nor the hour, not even the angles in heaven.
THAT sends up a red flag! When you see a date listed for the end - it's foolishness.

[concerned about politics]

Allegedly, your so-called Bible codes

You think that's kooky, try this one. Liberals like Christ.
They think Jesus was a liberal. They think he died on the cross so they could sin endlessly forever. Gee, why bother? Why die for nothing? That's what they were doing before he came! Sheeesh!

[newgeezer]

No, this particular guy -- I see now it was Joseph Noah, appearing on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory (used to be Art Bell's show) -- was definitely doing it with untranslated text. He'll be happy to sell you his book, too. ;O)

As for not predicting the end, is it not possible that no man knew ("knows" being present tense at the time the Lord spoke it) the day nor the hour, until the code was "cracked"?

[Cannonphoder]

If you approve Gay marriage, how many Gays? 2, 3 or 5 people? You say 2, but their activists (who many have heard, and I have read) say "we will challenge that in court immediately". Well, they did.
A lot of Gays prefer group sex or at least an "openness" in their choice of partners (multiple studies prove this). How do you quantify the limits? Where does it end?

Age of Consent laws
What's the minimum age? Homosexual activists are doing everything possible to eliminate "age of consent" laws, because their literature is filled with glorification of pedophilia.

Gay males are just 2.2 percent of the population, but they are responsible for over 1/3 of all sexual crime against minors (5).

Marriage can become useless because we could end up minimizing its importance until it was trivial and ineffective. Once you've opened Pandora's box, the Constitution has no limits built in to prevent society from eliminating Marriage all together.

Every civilization since the beginning of man has recognized the need for marriage. This country and healthy societies around the world give marriage special legal protection for a vital reason - it is the institution that ensures the society's future through the upbringing of children. Furthermore, it's just common sense that marriage is the union of a man and a woman.

There is an ocean of empirical data showing that the union between a man and a woman has unique benefits for children and society. Moreover, traditional family breakdown is the single biggest social problem in America today. In study after study, family breakdown is linked to an increase in violent crime, youth crime, teen pregnancy, welfare dependency and child poverty.

Even if your just considering what is good for the Gay people, Gay marriage is a two edged sword. Several studies have indicated that almost all Gays only want marriage for the bene's (financial rewards). What they don't realize is that long term relationships among Gays is dangerous. In the last 5 years two AIDS studies have shown that when Gay males engage in long term relationships they dramatically increase the incidence of risky sexual behavior (most specifically a significant rise in oral/anal behavior).

Carefully consider the effects to society before you support an experiment that has destroyed every civilization it's controlled throughout known history.

Perhaps you should look at the following for more in depth answers: http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IF02G2

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IF03H01

5. Kurt Freund, et al., "Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference," p. 107. Cp. Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (February 2000): 67-76.

The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al., The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994).

[concerned about politics]

As for not predicting the end, is it not possible that no man knew ("knows" being present tense at the time the Lord spoke it) the day nor the hour, until the code was "cracked"?

I don't think so. The Book of Revelation takes an immence amount of study because of it's figuretism. If we were to know, we'd have been told when the blessed event was to occure and prepare for it that day. The Bible says "Look up" and "Watch".
The Book of Revelation starts with the signs of the times. "Blessed are those who have read aloud or heard the words of this prophacy and OBSERVE the things written in it, for the appointed time is near."
If we knew in advance the date, we'd sin until then and just fill our lamps the night before. Nah. That's why we're not told. Heck, even liberals would be standing in line! LOL.

[anniegetyourgun]

Bingo. It's not just a matter for so-called social conservatives. It's a fiscal matter as well.

And, I know that most don't want to hear this, but God has already spoken on this matter. He's ALWAYS right, and those who disagree with Him are always in the wrong.

[Jim Noble]

Permanent marriage? A woman marries a guy who beats her and won't support the kids, and she has no way out? A man marries a gal who turns out to be a floozie, and he has no way out? I don't think so. However, I do agree that it should take at least 6 months of paperwork, licenses, and waiting periods, so the interested parties will be sure they WANT to get married. Adultry, a felony? Aren't the prisons full enough for you now? While I'm sure this "law" would slow down the adultry rate in this country, it just might make them that much more careful to not get caught.

Well, since you are such an effective advocate for abolishing traditional marriage, why not go all the way?

[WOSG]

Maybe the "defense of marriage" act we need is one which raises the bar on divorce. Easy divorce has harmed more families then any other cause. Divorce is what has weakened marriage in this country, not homosexuality, incest, or bestiality. It's not either/or, it's all of the above, with the source being the redefinition of marriage from life-long commitment to family-raising to being about sex partners.

But nobody wants to deal with the divorce problem. You are wrong, there are thsoe trying to fight it. Many in the Father's Movement and anti-feminist movement have been screaming about it for years - but the media supresses the muffled screams. Remember the poor desperate Brit in London on top of a building last month? The feminist movement is if anything more powerful than the gay activist movement and has been a huge part of the problem. They have done everything possible to make divorce an enticing alternative for greedy women with marriages that are getting inconvenient. A little known fact, the vast majority of divorces today are no fault and initiated by women. It's a ticket to fiscally rape men in many states if they make the mistake of marrying the wrong kind of women. It should be harder to get divorced and family courts should be fairer to men post-divorce than they are ... but POWERFUL forces oppose any change.

Comments like these .... "so-called "defenders of marriage" are not addressing the hard problem" ... are unfair. So what are *you* doing to address 'the hard problem' if you say it is so key??

[WOSG]

Impeachment cannot work for several reasons. First, the offenses meriting removal are pride, arrogance, and a contempt for societal opinion, none of which are impeachable offenses. And second, impeachment is a legislative process that must be carried out by people little better than the offenders.

It's our only hope.... These robed tyrants just spat on the law, the constitution and tradition. And as you know, they are not the only ones. Tyrants are trying to take "under God" out of the pledge. Tyyrants are saying that legal deportation orders cant be executed, we have to keep illegal immigrant *felons* in our borders. Tyrants in robes nearly called off the recall election - they wanted to destroy the democratic process itself!! It is an outrage!

And yet for all these evils, what Judge gets deposed? Judge Moore, who stood for the 10 commandments!! I dont know what is possible but I do know what is right.

These Judges are unfit to serve in office. They must be removed. Is anyone else out there ready to explode? Each new ruling like this - including horrible AA rulings from the USSC - just makes me angrier. Down with Judicial Tyranny!!

[Looking for Diogenes]

Thanks for your sensible reply

Comments like these .... "so-called "defenders of marriage" are not addressing the hard problem" ... are unfair.

I'll stick by my comment. There are those who are fighting to change divorce laws, but they are mostly different from the people fighting gay marriage under the banner of "defense of marriage."

So what are *you* doing to address 'the hard problem' if you say it is so key??

I'm bringing up the topic every chance I get. And thanks for the work you're doing, whatever that may be.

[WOSG]

When state courts usurp power it is a federal matter. What power did it usurp? The power of the people to define the privileges of marriage in accordance with our cultural heritage.

It was a decision about state constitutionality. They need to go back and rectify a poorly written law.

The Law was fine. What the law lacked was obedience to the political correctness police. The judges usurped the law and engaged in judicial tyranny and inventing law from the bench. A horrible excercise in judicial activism that harms our culture, our politics and our democracy.

Unless we start fighting with every weapon we have, we will lose this country. A tad over the top. Nah, he understates it totally. The forces of Cultural Socialism will destroy faith, family and freedom if not checked! We must man the barricades! Stop the Socialists! Even that is fairly calm and objective ... Over the top would be: "Death to Tyrants!!!"

[WOSG]

I am sorry, but unless you are filing your tax forms as if you and your wife are 'single' your comments are balderdash and empty bragging... you claim you 'walk the walk' ... I asked if you went to the courthouse to make your marriage legal and recognized under the Government, and you didnt answer.

Now I've heard of slimey guys convince girlfriends they dont need any 'ceremony' to show commitment, but it only works for a while and on dumb and loose girls.

Any real, decent honest couple - and I am sure you are in this category - makes their real marriage vows given in church, and then recognized IN LAW. My wife and I did that, didnt you???

"The government has no business/need to protect my marriage, I can do that myself."

... and if you did, it refutes that above comment.
So please answer the question: Did you go to the courthouse to make your marriage legal?

[WOSG]

Defining marriage as a union between a man and woman is not coming down hard on homosexuals.

This is a point that should be emphasized.

[WOSG]

The state has been involved, appropriately, in marriage for hundreds of years. It is a legal institution which is a support of a civilizing influence. Well said. See my earlier posts on this thread on this subject.

[WOSG]

actually, check out Cuba and North Korea. They jail homosexuals. of course RPNK jails a large part of the population!

[Quick1]

The point of the amendment is to restore one aspect of true marriage that is under fire

Are you intentionally ignoring the 50% divorce rate, or just oblivious to it? Priorities, people.

[WOSG]

hmm, possible refutation of your comment: Check out Eagle Forum (Phyllis Schlafley) - attacking on both fronts, and knows they are connected. I'll try to find links to justify that - gotta go.

[ellery]

The only Constitutional Amendment I would support in this area is one that explicitly designates all "culture war" issues like this to the states (basically a restatement of amendment 10).