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US Constitutiona Amendment to Save Marriage...NOW!
Self | 11-18-03 | Always Right

Posted on 11/18/2003 7:28:05 AM PST by Always Right

Now that the Mass. Supreme Court has acted to force the legislature to adopt gay marriage, the time is now for Republicans to act to save this most basic institution of this country. We need a US Constitutional Amendment to save us from activist courts who assult religion and basic family values. The public will be outraged over this and the GOP must capitolize on it. The GOP must put the Democrats in a bind. Oppose the Amendment and lose their base, or support it and expose themselves as the radicals they are.

Now is the time to act. Put this issue at the forefront for the next election. Don't just make it an issue, make it a real topic with real Amendments that are gonna be passed.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: evil; family; gaymarriage; godsjudgement; homosexualagenda; marriage; marriageamendment; notnatural; notnormal; protectmarriage; redefiningmarriage; romans1
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Supreem Court said, citizens have a right to privacy, especially in their bedrooms


Ever hear of the 10th Amendment? Did you hear Ginsburg admit to judicial misconduct when she said her decision was based upon EUROPEAN LAW and not the Constitution??? You mean like that?
121 posted on 11/18/2003 11:22:13 AM PST by richtig_faust
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To: concerned about politics
consider these facts: according to the article, "Homosexuality: Fact or Fiction," "When a referendum on this was sent out to all 25,000 APA members, only a quarter of them returned their ballots. The final tally ended up being 58% in favor of declassifying homosexuality as a mental disorder." In 1977, Time Magazine polled 10,000 members of the APA at random. In the article "Sick Again", Time showed these results:

68% (APA members) said they believed 'homosexuality is usually a pathological adaptation, as opposed to a normal variation.' 18% disagreed and 13% were uncertain.
73% said that homosexuals are generally less happy than heterosexuals.
60% said homosexuals were less capable of mature, loving relationships
70% said that homosexual problems have more to do with their own inner conflicts than with the stigmatization by society at large."
These staggering facts are a window that shows how the homosexual community has tried to pervert the minds of individuals into thinking that being gay is normal. And this mindset has brought forth serious consequences.

122 posted on 11/18/2003 11:24:00 AM PST by richtig_faust
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To: richtig_faust
Nope, average age of death for a practicing male homo is 41.

I see you've already retreated from the prior claim (which is that the average homosexual doesn't live beyond 40).

Now you claim that this applies to males who are also practicing, and that the age is actually a bit over 40.

And you still haven't provided a link to any authoritative source.

I assure you, any neutral observer will find your arguments flimsy at best. I'm not an optimist, so I am forced to conclude you are intellectually slovenly and dishonest.
123 posted on 11/18/2003 11:24:45 AM PST by Belial
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To: Belial
The majority of homosexuals do indeed live past 40.

Homosexuals are self defeating. That's why they've chosen their death path. It's to hurt themselves. It's like people who cut themselves with razor blades, but slower.
They die from S&M, drug overdoses, various infections and plagues.
You really should get your kids help. They don't have long. They' ve signed their death warrents, but you've blinded youself to the potential consequences. It's to rationalize your lack of mothering ability. It's all about you that you support their vileness, not them. You're pretending your a good mother, but you've killed your children instead.

124 posted on 11/18/2003 11:25:10 AM PST by concerned about politics ( So it is. Amen.)
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To: Always Right
When state courts usurp power it is a federal matter.

What power did it usurp?

The local people and their representatives have been overturned by an activist court.

It was a decision about state constitutionality. They need to go back and rectify a poorly written law.

Unless we start fighting with every weapon we have, we will lose this country.

A tad over the top.

125 posted on 11/18/2003 11:25:24 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: gridlock
Government has been busy undermining marriage for the last 40 years. On every issue and on every front government has chosen the path of destruction, from welfare incentives to out-of-wedlock births to the marriage penalty to rough treatment of men in Family Court. It is hard to imagine how government could be more hostile to marriage if it tried.

We agree. There is one more thing govt could do though - it could go full force and destroy traditional marriage entirely by putting other forms of cohabitation on the same legal plane. That's what 'gay marriage' does. The coup de grace.

Government has a role in the civil law, deciding matters of property, child custody, and the like. These matters are dealt with in the civil court outside of marriage already. Why should a government definition of marriage be required to determine deposition of joint property or what is in the best interests of a child? Your question itself refutes your claim that this is outside of marriage. "joint property" makes not a whit of sense outside the context of the legal definition of the marriage contract. Court involvement *defines* marriage in a legal sense when it rules on custody, property, whether wifes are responsible for a husbands tax evasion, etc.

Marriage is a sacred covenant. If one is religious, it is a promise made to God. For those who are not, it is at minimum a promise made to the spouse, and to any subsequent children. What can government add to that? Yes marriage is sacred and a covenant. What government can add to that is protecting those promises made to God as promises made to other humans as well. This is not much different than other contract law in a sense, but of greater import to our civilization.

Government insinuation into the institution of marriage can only lead to mayhem. Government will not limit access to divorce, so divorce becomes the norm. This again is self-refuting. Divorce is a *legal process*. Govt defines when and how divorce can happen and rights under it!

Most people who get a civil divorce consider themselves divorces, with nary a thought to the solemn promises made to each other and to God. The government has said they are divorced, so that's all there is to it. A judge has replaced morality. Of course but you missed the obvious. The Judge has replaced morality because the Judge is defining "right" and "wrong". So why let the Judge define "right" and "wrong" in ways at total variance with the real right and wrong? Why not make it harder to get divorces than to break a car lease? Why not insist that if a woman initiates a no-fault divorce the man keeps custody? Its an absurdity to throw up your hands and say "oh just keep the government out of it", it is and will be hip-deep in these matters anyway.

Government displaces. It does not coexist. Gays have been getting married for the last fifty years, but it is the governmental sanction of those marriages that will elevate them to equal stature in the eyes of society. Yes, I made that exact point! This is not about "allowing" gays to cohabitate or even to call themselves married or 'partners' etc. They can do that today. This is about giving them co-equal rights with traditional marriage partners in the family courts. It means possibly that a divorced couple where one woman runs off with a lesbian partner, the judge will give as much weight and 'right' to that lesbian couple to have custody as the father himself.

the real tragedy is that the courts have usurped the democratic power of people to decide these matters, so errors and injustices wont be easily corrected.

People will do stupid things always. People will make poor choices and a compassionate society will always pick up the pieces. It is beyond the power of government to prevent people from doing so. The destruction that results when government tries far outwieghs any benefit derived. This is why you need George Will's book. It's a counterweight to the libertarian myth of government non-involvement in matters of human habits and behavior. It is *not* true that it is beyond the power of Government to influence behavior. WHATEVER Government does shapes our culture, shapes our habits, shapes our ideas and actions. Government can influence more or less marriages, divorces, out-of-wedlock births, child abuse, pedophilia, and a host of things. The state can act in ways that improve our habits - this creates fewer messes so there is LESS PROBLEMS for Government to fix. For example, our welfare reform in 1996 encouaged more marriage - well, children are more likely to succeed when in married households vs being in single-parent households. This reform is the exact opposite of what you propose, since it is "meddling in marriage", but the good benefits of it are fewer criminals and juvenile delinquents down the road and LESS WELFARE DEPENDENCY today.

So we end where we started. We agree that Government has attacked traditional institutions and undermined them in the courts, the law, and culture. The proposed 'hands off' solution though is neither realistic nor practical. There is the possibility of reforming Govt to support, not undermine, traditional institutions by patiently working through the laws and fixing the errors of judges and lawmakers. Supporting working institutions like traditional marriage DOES WORK and is a vital part of staving off Socialism and keeping Goverment limited.

126 posted on 11/18/2003 11:28:36 AM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: concerned about politics
Still no documentation, but plenty of fulmination. You're not a ghost writer for Jack Chick, by any chance?

You really should get your kids help. They don't have long. They' ve signed their death warrents, but you've blinded youself to the potential consequences.

You should sober up before you continue posting. I don't have any homosexual children.
127 posted on 11/18/2003 11:29:00 AM PST by Belial
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
Yippie!!!!
I am thrilled about this decision. Both my son and my daughter are Gay.

Yippie!!!!! Where was/is their father?

Wether you believe it or not gays are just plain born gay.

Regardless of whether YOU believe it or not, most gays are NOT "just plain born gay".

128 posted on 11/18/2003 11:29:08 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Belial
What do you mean now I claim..... I wasn't the original poster who used the age of 40 as an example. The reason for that stat is that male queers are ungodly horny pigs. I used to be an inner city bartender and when one of these trouser pilots came into the bar they practically dropped their drawers around any male in the place. they're sick sob's.
129 posted on 11/18/2003 11:29:41 AM PST by richtig_faust
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To: richtig_faust
These staggering facts are a window that shows how the homosexual community has tried to pervert the minds of individuals into thinking that being gay is normal. And this mindset has brought forth serious consequences.

Yes, I know. They aren't normal. They aren't healthy people - physically, mentally, spiritually ill.
It's part of the Socialist manifesto to destroy America from within. The gays don't even know that if America does become socialist, they're one of the first to be eliminated. Right now, they're being used as useful idiots for the cause.
The only problem is that they're trying to bring the innocent down into their pits of hell with them because of their own self absorbtion of misery and dispare. They want everyone else to suffer with them.

130 posted on 11/18/2003 11:31:40 AM PST by concerned about politics ( So it is. Amen.)
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To: richtig_faust
according to the article, "Homosexuality: Fact or Fiction

You guys are so predictable. I can see why you didn't source your "article"...it's published by the "Christian Research Foundation".

Just because some organization with a vested interest whips together a set of statistics doesn't mean they have any validity outside of their narrow propaganda purposes.

Foundations like this exist for a simple reason: to provide ammunition for the scientifically naive.
131 posted on 11/18/2003 11:32:33 AM PST by Belial
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
"Don't force your religion and beliefes on others."

Please tell that to the militant secularists out there trying to outlaw any opposing views.

Re: Gay pride. Is there a particular sexual practice or position you are most proud of?
132 posted on 11/18/2003 11:33:48 AM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: richtig_faust
The reason for that stat is that male queers are ungodly horny pigs.

If you drop "queers" out of that sentence, it remains equally true.
133 posted on 11/18/2003 11:34:31 AM PST by Belial
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To: Belial
OH. Good for you. Well done.
I apologize. I clicked on the wrong reply.
We have a troll being proud of butt worshipping kids. It's pretty sick. Liberal parents are not good for children. LOL.
134 posted on 11/18/2003 11:35:10 AM PST by concerned about politics ( So it is. Amen.)
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To: Always Right
The Supreme Court looked to Europe as inspiration for Lawrence v. Texas, which made the need for a constitutional amendment more urgent; perhaps they'll next look to new British legislation for leadership on how to force the homosexual agenda on the church.
135 posted on 11/18/2003 11:35:22 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: WOSG
Re: Gay pride. Is there a particular sexual practice or position you are most proud of?

DU has a lot of threads about having sex with cats. That's their mindset.

136 posted on 11/18/2003 11:36:44 AM PST by concerned about politics ( So it is. Amen.)
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To: richtig_faust
"I hope you actually think about issues before you vote."
Trust me - I do. I see no need for "protection" in my marriage & anyone who has a strong one would need any either. Those that are weak & unsure of themselves might need outside help in their personal relationships, but I don't need or want any.
137 posted on 11/18/2003 11:37:12 AM PST by familyofman
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To: elfman2
"...marriage is not threatened by this."

Sorry, but you're wrong. You cannot remove a cornerstone of civilized society w/o endangering the entire ediface. The cracks have long been there, as piece by piece we jettison our traditions for "feel good' hedonism.

This latest move however is of a type and of an importance never contemplated by any society in history.

This is a sad day for western civilization--and it will effect your family.

138 posted on 11/18/2003 11:37:24 AM PST by Pietro
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To: gridlock
There is nothing special about keeping the legal as well as dictionary definition of marriage at one man and one woman.

This decision was a mere 4-3 decision by an already hopelessly Liberal Kangaroo court to rewrite the Mass Constitution to pretend it said something IT DOESNT SAY. The ruling is wholly without merit or foundation.
This is a well-orchestrated campaign to redefine the definition of words to destroy traditional forms of culture. "Gay marriage" remains an oxymoron; even if a bicycle is redefined as a motor vehicle for drivers license purposes, it doesnt make it a motor car. The culture wars continue!

"It is simply none of the government's business. " I have refuted this amply on the other posts. Govt has been overseeing the marriage contract for centuries.
139 posted on 11/18/2003 11:40:54 AM PST by WOSG (The only thing that will defeat us is defeatism itself)
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To: WOSG
Fear not. This is a winning issue for us. This will turn out like Disco Dean the homo queens state. Heterosexuals outnumber them 99% to 1%. We'll get the ammendment passed.

We're just grossed out right now, along with the rest of the nation. LOL. When everyone is done puking over the abomination, they'll get angry. This will be over by the end of the month. No one likes queers. They usually look the other way, but this time the queers are in their face. No one likes the smell of bile.

140 posted on 11/18/2003 11:42:50 AM PST by concerned about politics ( So it is. Amen.)
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