Mystery behind Aug. 28 incident puzzles Army officials (what felled an M1A1)?

Navy Times ^ | 10-27-2003 | John Roos

[bonesmccoy]

Shortly before dawn on Aug. 28, an M1A1 Abrams tank on routine patrol in Baghdad

[SLB]

If you want to satisfy my curiosity please post your response to my FReep mail.

[ConservativeLawyer]

Bump for later read.

[archy]

If you want to satisfy my curiosity please post your response to my FReep mail.

You have FReepmail, Earth person.

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[Cannoneer No. 4]

the Stryker is an IFV if your enemy makes it one.

Outstanding point, which I wish the powers-that-be could be made to understand. The M113 started out life in 1962 as a battle taxi, and Charlie pointed out the shortcomings of that idea, thus the ACAV.

I think the Stryker is going to sprout free guns and gun shields, and riders on top, and if the chain of command fights that program they are going to have problems.

[Cannoneer No. 4]

Roger on BCR#226

[.cnI redruM]

I personally think that units will start parking Strykers about 5km away from where they are told to and try to blend into the terrain well before they hit the FEBA. The Strryker needs to sprout a LOSAT or a Bushmaster. A freakin' TOW or Javalin at the very least.

[BCR #226]

Thanks!

Mike

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Quantum Black Hole

(Best Rainman voice:) Singularity. Definitely. A singu-laaarity.

[Cogadh na Sith]

Meteor.

[Cannoneer No. 4]

No problemo, amigo. Welcome aboard.

[Budge]

Wow! I'm at a loss for words, but do have one question.

IF, after traveling through the tank skirt, then through everything else, the projectile buried itself 1 1/2 to 2" deep into the hull, did they recover the projectile and examine it, or did it just become part of the hull?

[Cannoneer No. 4]

5k's? May as well ride 2 1/2T's if that is all the closer they can take them. And the concept of a FEBA assumes a defined front and rear area. I got an email from Michael Gilbert, an embed with 3/2 from the Tacoma Tribune, and he says he will be watching for the things sceptics have been fussing about.

[Budge]

OR, it might have been George Felos using his powerful mind to do this. After all, he CAN bring down an airplane, according to him.

[Iris7]

There are a number of weapons sold by the Russians that look like possibilities. RPG 29 and others appear to share a dual stage fairly modern shaped charge warhead, and there are other new type weapons using what appears to be an improved single stage shaped charge warhead. ROSOBORONEXPORT web site appears to be down or I'd leave a link.

[B4Ranch]

How many different steel compositions are used in the armoring of a M1A1 to defeat a HESH round?

[Iris7]

This is classified information. There is much speculation on the net, if you are curious. Try "chobham armor".

[B4Ranch]

Thanks for the link, looks like it'll be an interesting read.

What effect would a UD projectile with another smaller flat faced projectile behind it have on armor plating? I thought of this because if the spacing defeats HESH rounds, would something like this give the UD projectile a double punch?

[theFIRMbss]

>(Best Rainman voice:) Singularity. Definitely. A singu-laaarity.

Pravda.RU, 20:50 2003-01-20: Whirl-making Weapon Is Like Genie in Terrorists- Hands

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[theFIRMbss]

>(correct link!)

Pravda.RU, 20:50 2003-01-20: Whirl-making Weapon Is Like Genie in Terrorists- Hands

[archy]

How many different steel compositions are used in the armoring of a M1A1 to defeat a HESH round?

The exact mix of hardened armor plate, British-developed Chobham armor and depleted uranium used in the steel armor *sandwich* of an M1A1/ M1A2 Abrams is classified, as pointed out in #116.

But you may find the general information from the following Army safety training presentation to be of interest, including first aid considerations.

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