Rush Limbaugh Live Thread: Returns To the Airwaves - 12:00 EST!

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[rs79bm]

12:00 EST Monday, November 17th - Rush returns - Welcome Back!

[ThePythonicCow]

My liberal sister in California mentioned hearing about the forum. She said, with barely concealed disdain...

I was driving in Marin County (the leftist mecca of California) the other day in my car with a FreeRepublic.com bumper sticker. I stopped at the light when a very expensive looking Mercedes pulled up behind me, carrying two very well dressed ladies. One of them saw my sticker, pointed it out to the other, and then catching my eye in my mirror, flipped me a bird.

It's always a pleasure to be recognized.

[Matchett-PI]

"If I had encountered you I would still be drunk and never found Christ. One of the problems with the born again movement is that they can be their own worse enemy. Comments and statements like yours push many people away."

But that's the way it is with all legalists (spiritually immature people). Their SELF-righteousness is best exposed in the story of the "Good Samaritan".

Religious people go out looking to "do good" --- hence the sneering phrase, "do-gooder".

Funny thing is, that when do-gooder types actually encounter a real-life opportunity to do something good (just in the course of living their daily lives), they fall short, and actually wind up giving Christianity a bad name. Legalists are perfectly portrayed in "The SNL Church Lady" character.

Isn't THAT special?

[mrobison]

Spoken just as I'm sure the Adversary like to hear it.

[RandallFlagg]

Hey, all.

Stuck at work.

Recording at home.

How's Rush and the show?

[riri]

One of them saw my sticker, pointed it out to the other, and then catching my eye in my mirror, flipped me a bird.

I would have derived some pleasure out of that.

[XJarhead]

Twelve-step programs let you choose your higher power. It's all about choice, which is why in my prior post I reference the "generic 'higher power'." This is either deism (if the notion of the higher power is generic monotheistic) or polytheistic (if multiple goods are accepted) or pantheistic (if the notion of higher power degenerates into an impersonal force)

It's none of those. Its not mandating a particular belief system -- its permitting you to choose your own.

but none of these concepts is compatible with Christianity, which has as its First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me."

By that reasoning, the Constitution is incompatible with Christianity as well. After all, it guarantees freedom of religion, so someone can choose to be Christian, Jewish, Moslem, or Hindu. Yet because the Commandments say "you shall have no other gods before me", the Constitution is not "compatible" with Christianity because it permits other religions to exist.

By your reasoning, any system that permits freedom of religion is incompatible with Christianity. You sure you haven't been sipping at the trough of radical Islam? Twelve-step programs require a belief in a higher power. A Christian can easily follow such a program because God (as known to Christians) is indeed a higher power.

[cyborg]

Oh just be like me and FReep on the job, tying up the phone line :D

[Stop Legal Plunder]

And I take issue with the evangelical zeal that many folks in recovery attach to their feelings for the 12 Step Program itself. Only Christ heals people. Everything else just makes them think they are getting better, but only substitutes one addiction for another.

Or substitutes one religion for another. Secular therapy has replaced Christian faith, as Freud designed, which is the root of the misplaced evangelical zeal that you observe.

The sad thing is that most pastors have aided and abetted this by sending church members who go to them for spiritual counsel to therapists, treatment programs, and self-help groups. Apparently the pastors don't believe Christ and God's word are sufficient either.

[DLfromthedesert]

So you're saying the Pubbies are finally learning how to play the game with these RATS???

I hope you're right.

[Yaelle]

Back from the inauguration -- what'd I miss? LOL.

[sphinx]

I personally am getting much theraputic value from his comments.

I took my last drink 1/13/92 so I was sober for the last year of the first Bush Administration. (A truly miserable year.) I understand what Rush is saying. I am, however, concerned that this kind of thing can run away with the show if he's not careful. It will get old really fast if program talk starts to dominate, and we both know how newcomers tend to run on. That's not where Rush's audience is.

More important, for Rush's own sake, there are ego traps in going too public with recovery. Recall the Big Book on grandiosity and the several reasons for anonymity. Rush can't be entirely anonymous (and grandiosity is part of the show's schtick), but it's dangerous to get too far out there, especially when the tough times hit (as they will).

The first couple of days back I'll give him a pass, but in general, the less we hear about his recovery on the air, the better, IMHO. He's done a graceful on-air acknowledgement of the situation. That's enough for now.

[Lynne]

What is Rush talking about?

[ThePythonicCow]

sounds like he is genuine too

Something about his sense of his own feelings is more modulated, more subtle, now. One way I can tell it: in the past, I'd sometimes think "Glad he doesn't have children; it would be rough having him as a Dad." But today, he sounds like he'd be an ok Dad.

[Interious]

That paper rattling is intensely rude.

It sounds like he's unhinged.

I hate to say this but I bet he'll relapse.

Switching back to Dennis Prager. More interesting even in reruns.

[mrobison]

We may differ in denomination, but you and I are of one mind on this subject.

During his earthly ministry, Christ would never have thought of telling a sufferer to go see a shrink. He healed them. And, He's just as capable of doing that today as He was 2,000 years ago. Just ask Him.

[DLfromthedesert]

Nothing. He was playing the inaugural speech. Wasn't that a beautiful ceremony?

The new governor and California are in my prayers.

[Yaelle]

Didn't Sheen's candidate hold up a BABY to shield him from a shot?

[Carolina]

He's making fun of the official age when children become adults which is at 26.

[DLfromthedesert]

I don't know. Most people tend to be tougher on other people's kids.

[k2blader]

I hate to say this but I bet he'll relapse.

Yeah, I'm sure you just hated saying that...