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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18
Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/14/2003 2:06:57 AM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; cultureofdeath; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: nicmarlo
Thanks, since it was just on the news, I thought something new was happening.
581 posted on 11/15/2003 3:54:51 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: KDubRN
My tone was relatively gentle given the misinformation you posted and continue to post.

"There were no elevated cardiac enzymes. The EKG was normal and showed NSR".

Pretty bold and uniformed statement here. The paramedics who responded reported that the patient, Terri was in arrest. They undoubtedly used their EKG. The emergency room physicians diagnosed cardiac arrest. Further, it has been reported that this arrest deprived Terri's brain of oxygen for as much as 10 minutes. Significant brain damage can occurr in as little as 4. Your statement that she had no elevated cardiac enzymes, the EKG was normal and that the heart was in normal sinus rhythm certainly is misleading to say the least. Are you saying that the physicians in the receiving ER who diagnosed cardiac arrest did so with a normal EKG?? And a heart that is diagnosed as arrested has an NSR??? Maybe they were inept and not familiar with cardiac function- though they were on staff at the Cardiac Institute??? Not bleedin' likely!

Or are you trying to say the paramedics and the entire ER staff, doctors, the RN's, LPN's and tech's were somehow ALL conspirators to some misdeed of Michael Schiavo's??? Right!!

"As I said, a low K will not cause a cardiac crisis if the individual has a healthy heart without cardiac HX.

'I do not dispute your contention K is essential to cardiac functioning".

That is an amusing statement. You agree that potassium is essential to cardiac functioning, immediately after asserting that low potassiun will not cause a cardiac crisis. Again, where in the world did you go to nursing school. Low potassium is a universally accepted cause of heart arrhythmias and the resultant unchecked arrhythmias can lead to cardiac arrest. And further, low serum potassium has long been associated with ventricular fibrillation which, even though technically the heart is beating, deprives the brain of oxygen the entire time the fibrillation is occurring. Though NSR can be restored, the brain still suffers from anoxia.

"If you are bolused with IV solution, D5W, say a liter in 15 minutes, or less, what are the effects to your blood sugar, thus K? DUH".

DUH- this is the brightest thing you said in your response. Re-read your statement in your original post. Dilute the K??? OH GOD- spare your patients.

"The K was not low to begin with. Where do you get this notion?"

You are new, aren't you. That has been stated all over this forum and several discussions of this are included in the court records. The diagnosis of low serum potassium was made by the treating physicians at the Cardiac Center the night of the event. Oh, I forgot, they are a part of this vast conspiracy to kill Terri, together with twenty judges, a number of your fellow RN's and other assorted medical professionals. HAH!

"The doc stated the girl had no heart attack".

I assume you are referring to Hammesfahr, who saw her more than ten years after the event. That notwithstanding, I agree that she didn't have a heart attack (MI), she suffered a cardiac arrest as a result of low serum potassium.

"The chem panels, liver, etc were all WNL."

Have to take your word for this, but what's the relevance?? I've done a lot of reading of the record on this case, however I have never come across any discussion of the "chem panels". Perhaps you will provide your cite.

"What is of interest is the anoxia/hypoxia which lead to O2 deprivation. And as we later found out, the extensive fractures."

The anoxia/hypoxia question has been addressed and answered by the attending physicians and associated staff. As to the fractures, Are you trying to tell me that Michael Schiavo gave this 110 pound, 5'6" woman a beating that broke both ankles, both knees, several ribs, her sacroiliac, her femur, several vertibrae in her neck and fractured her skull in several places all without leaving a mark?? Tin foil hat time!!

Imagine! Applying enough pressure to fracture several vertibrae in her neck but not fracture her hyoid bone or damage her larnyx.

I suggest that you reveiw osteoporis and bulemia. Women who suffer from osteoporosis can and do lose as much as 30% of their bone density in a single year. Did you ever consider that the small and minor fractures (if there are any) and the resultant "hot spots" revealed by the bone scan are a result of osteoporosis? Compression fractures such as the femur (again, if there was a fracture) are common in an individual suffering from osteoporosis.

The only one who seems to know less is you.

582 posted on 11/15/2003 3:58:24 PM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: Snykerz
DCA issued a stay order yesterday at 5 pm.
We filed our notice of appeal yesterday, too.
Judge Baird found a case issued by the Fla Supremes this summer. An abortion counseling case.
In that case, the Court wrote that a statute that infringes on Fla const'l right of privacy is "presumptively unconstitutional"
He lifted the automatic stay. The Gov's office immediately faxed an emergency motion to the DCA requesting THEM to stay Baird's consideration of the merits until their appeal is resolved.
Their appeal is on Felos' failure to serve the Gov and filing his suit in the wrong place.
The 2d DCA issued its stay..giving Felos until Tuuesday to file his objections.
That's where we are in the 2d DCA.

And meantime, the Schindlers have filed THEIR notice of appeal in re Baird's refusal to let them intervene.

What we can do, is email McCabe, and force him under intense pressure, to open a criminal investigation. Bernie needs to feel the weight of Terri's Army.
And the heat, too.
There just too many red flags to ignore.

I hope he has a swell of emails Monday morning.
He is why none of the LE agencies will even take a report.
We need as many as possible to e-mail him.
berniemccabe@fdle.state.fl.us


583 posted on 11/15/2003 4:05:55 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: daylate-dollarshort
Pretty bold and uniformed statement here.

You are the individual uninformed, unless you are MS or FeelLouse. You argue like a child.
584 posted on 11/15/2003 4:11:56 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: KDubRN
And you post like a plant from saveterri.com.

I argue with facts- you are the one who can't muster a cogent response.
585 posted on 11/15/2003 4:44:38 PM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: sweetliberty; Bluebird Singing; BonneBlue; Budge; Calpernia; CedarDave; ChadGore; clamper1797; ...
" This is the kind of moral reprobates we're dealing with."

Did you ever have the slightest doubt?

As I have stated previously, this is the greatest spiritual battle this nation has ever faced; but it is not just our battle, but the Lord's. Pray on!

586 posted on 11/15/2003 4:45:41 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: iowamomforfreedom
That being said, I remain cautiously optimistic

Me too. I think it's Terris best chance.

587 posted on 11/15/2003 4:48:28 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: msmagoo
Michael Schiavo beats his wife,
Chokes her till he wrecks her life.
Steals her money, puts her down,
Starves her dead and goes to town.

I like. Though she's not dead yet, and hopefully won't be for quite some time.

588 posted on 11/15/2003 4:52:54 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Mac The Knife
Welcome MTK. Please check out the links here and do some reading first and then see if you feel the same, ok?
589 posted on 11/15/2003 4:54:02 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: saveterri1
Backatcha! :)
590 posted on 11/15/2003 4:58:50 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Mac The Knife
I'm new here, but for God's sake, let the poor girl go. There is a better place on the other side.

Most of us here would like for MICHAEL SCHIAVO TO LET TERRI GO. Unfortunately, Michael refuses to do so. There is some conjecture here that things would be very bad for him and some powerful people in Florida if he lost guardianship and a new guardian audited her records; things would get worse still if she ever did recover.

As someone noted elsewhere, people are trying to starve/dehydrate Terri not because she's dying, but because she isn't. Michael's tired of being Terri's guardian, but can't afford to let anyone else take over the role, and thus he wants to kill Terri to ensure nobody else can take care of her.

591 posted on 11/15/2003 5:01:20 PM PST by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Mac The Knife; pc93; Pegita; Petronski; pollywog; PeyersPatches; pickyourpoison; Piltdown_Woman; ...
I'm new here, but for God's sake, let the poor girl go..."

Then why not let you go too? After all, "there's a 'better place' on the other side.

Haven't you been having headaches lately? How about insomnia, constipation, or depression? You'd be better off "on the other side."

592 posted on 11/15/2003 5:06:05 PM PST by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: editor-surveyor
Best not to argue with people like that. There is nothing you can say that will change their minds. Nothing.

Things are still relatively peaceful and propserous in our country. When things get really tough, and they probably will, it could get worse than Nazi Germany.

I knew a man who paid to abort his parents' only grandchild. There is no reasoning with people who have that mindset. There are millions out there like that. They refuse to stick up for the weak. Can't you see the poster's utter contempt for us?

Best to let it go.

593 posted on 11/15/2003 5:09:59 PM PST by Aliska
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To: daylate-dollarshort
I don't argue. You do. You said it.
If you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.
You have verbally attacked me repeatedly. You are a total fool.
You who hate the truth, who hate to hear what another has to say, which differs from your way, go argue with the medical records, the docs, the nurses who cared for Terri, the millions world-wide who disagree with you.
This is a forum for the exchange of ideas. Not a forum to argue and degrade.
I do believe we have been invaded by a clone or troll.

594 posted on 11/15/2003 5:14:56 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: Snykerz
Thanks for the good news!
595 posted on 11/15/2003 5:15:03 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: KDubRN
KDubRN Since Nov 14, 2003

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............who's the Troll?

596 posted on 11/15/2003 5:21:22 PM PST by daylate-dollarshort
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To: Snykerz
Court Issues New Stay in Schiavo Case
Appeals Court Issues New Stay Blocking Challenge to Law From Terry Schiavo's Husband ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Great news, thank you!
597 posted on 11/15/2003 5:36:42 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: daylate-dollarshort; KDubRN
Are you both nurses?
598 posted on 11/15/2003 5:37:07 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: daylate-dollarshort
This post is a part of a new policy I have developed for people who dissagree with me in this issue as you do. I would like you to take a look at some of the material on this site:

news about Hospice of the Florida $uncoast

My question to you is this. Do you believe that the Managers, JUDGES, and LAWYERS tied to an institution as obviously corrupt as the Ho$pice of the Florida $uncoast should be having ANY SAY WHATSOEVER in the life or death of ANYONE, "vegitative" or not????!!!! (If you read just the FIRST PAGE of this you will find out what has been exposed so far about them does not even constitute even the VISIBLE TIP OF THE ICEBURG of their corruption.)

599 posted on 11/15/2003 5:38:34 PM PST by Coral Snake (deathculture(HospiceOf TheFlorida$uncoast == Andersonville + Aushwitz)
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To: daylate-dollarshort; KDubRN
who's the Troll?

Let me guess, you daylate?

600 posted on 11/15/2003 5:42:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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