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Indecisive nutrition 'experts' should leave us alone [Bread will kill you, keep the cows off Atkins]
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| 11-12-03
Posted on 11/12/2003 4:38:02 PM PST by SJackson
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posted on
11/12/2003 4:38:02 PM PST
by
SJackson
To: SJackson
A bunch of hyperbole for those who really care nothing about nutrition.
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posted on
11/12/2003 4:41:19 PM PST
by
JmyBryan
To: SJackson
Since I have been on Atkins my sugar has been so well under control, enough that the doctor took me off of insulin. My blood test was great and so was my cholesterol even though I have been eating only butter. I found a bread the has 3gram of carbs per slice and just had a grilled ham and cheese sandwich and it was delicious. The bread makers only have to start providing bread with lower carb counts.
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posted on
11/12/2003 4:52:27 PM PST
by
RJayneJ
To: SJackson
The Good Book says, "Man does not live by bread alone."
I don't know about man, but I know I sure could-- esp. if we're talking about a straight-from-the oven-crunchy-loaf of Italian bread.
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posted on
11/12/2003 4:52:52 PM PST
by
yankeedame
("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
To: SJackson
Bread is unhealthy, and I have posted that here in the past.
Humans did not evolve to eat bread.
To: Age of Reason
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posted on
11/12/2003 5:10:03 PM PST
by
SJackson
To: SJackson
They were interviewing bakers who were wondering what to do to revive sales. Maybe create a low-carb bread?
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posted on
11/12/2003 5:11:50 PM PST
by
Brett66
To: RJayneJ
I'm starting Atkins soon. When is the brand name of the bread? It's wheat I presume?
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posted on
11/12/2003 5:45:20 PM PST
by
Finalapproach29er
("Don't shoot Mongo, you'll only make him mad.")
To: SJackson
One veterinarian I chatted with about the diet wondered what happens to people's livers when they're on the Atkins diet for long periods of time. He knows what happens to cows that eat too much protein and not enough roughage. I guess cows can't take fiber pills.
To: SJackson
I have it. And a form of rheumatoid arthritis and psoriasis that is probably related. An estimated 1 in 250 people have Celiac disease. (And in my opinion, Celiac disease explains "beer bellies," if you've ever wondered why some beer drinkers get a distended abdomen and some don't.)
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posted on
11/12/2003 6:34:08 PM PST
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: JmyBryan
"A bunch of hyperbole for those who really care nothing about nutrition."
Hyperbole is "extravagant exaggeration". She just pointed out the irony of various diet fads. Everything she wrote is true. No exaggeration was needed.
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posted on
11/12/2003 6:38:32 PM PST
by
avenir
(Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise?)
To: Mr. Jeeves
I noticed that sentence too. If one considers the diets of steer, one remembers the most coveted meats come from steer that are grain fed. If grain adds the tenderizing component of fat to a steer, why would it behave differently when ingested by humans?
To: SJackson
Atkins bump
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posted on
11/12/2003 6:43:46 PM PST
by
conservcalgal
((I've been here since 1967 and I'm not leaving!!!!!!!))
To: Mr. Jeeves
The Protein Myth
The Building Blocks of Life
Protein is an important nutrient required for the building, maintenance, and repair of tissues in the body. Amino acids, the building blocks of protein, can be synthesized by the body or ingested from food. There are 20 different amino acids in the food we eat, but our body can only make 11 of them. The 9 essential amino acids which cannot be produced by the body must be obtained from the diet. A variety of grains, legumes, and vegetables can also provide all of the essential amino acids our bodies require. It was once thought that various plant foods had to be eaten together to get their full protein value, otherwise known as protein combining or protein complementing. Intentional combining is not necessary to obtain all of the essential amino acids.1 As long as the diet contains a variety of grains, legumes, and vegetables, protein needs are easily met.
Protein Requirements
With the traditional Western diet, the average American consumes about double the protein her or his body needs. Additionally, the main sources of protein consumed tend to be animal products which are also high in fat and saturated fat. Most individuals are surprised to learn that protein needs are actually much less than what they have been consuming. The Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) for protein for the average, sedentary adult is only 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight.2 To find out your average individual need, simply perform the following calculation:
Body weight (in pounds) X 0.36 = recommended protein intake
However, even this value has a large margin of safety, and the bodys true need is even lower. Protein needs are increased for women who are pregnant or breastfeeding. In addition, needs are also higher for active persons. As these groups require additional calories, increased protein needs can easily be met through larger intake of food consumed daily. Extra serving of legumes, tofu, meat substitutes, or other high protein sources can help meet needs that go beyond the current RDA.
The Problems with High-Protein Diets
High protein diets for weight loss, disease prevention, and enhanced athletic performance have been greatly publicized over recent years. However, these diets are supported by little scientific research. Studies show that the healthiest diet is one that is high-carbohydrate, low-fat, and moderate in protein. Increased intake of whole grains, fruits, and vegetables are recommended for weight control3 and preventing diseases such as cancer4 and heart disease.5 High-carbohydrate, low-fat, moderate-protein diets are also recommended for optimal athletic performance.6 Contrary to the fad diets currently promoted by some popular books, a diet that is high in protein can actually contribute to disease and other health problems.
Osteoporosis. Diets that are rich in protein, especially animal protein,7 are known to cause people to excrete more calcium than normal through their urine and increase the risk of osteoporosis. Plant-based diets, which provide adequate protein in addition to calcium through the consumption of leafy green vegetables, beans, and fortified fruit juices, can help protect against osteoporosis.
Cancer. Although fat is the dietary substance most often singled out for increasing ones risk for cancer, animal protein also plays a role. Specifically, certain proteins present in meat, fish, and poultry, cooked at high temperatures, especially grilling and frying, have been found to produce compounds called heterocyclic amines. These substances have been linked to various cancers including those of the colon and breast.8-10 A diet rich in whole grains, fruits, and vegetables is important in decreasing cancer risk,4 not to mention adding more healthful sources of protein in the diet.
Kidney Disease. When people eat too much protein, it releases nitrogen into the blood or is digested and metabolized. This places a strain on the kidneys which must expel the waste through the urine. Kidney problems may result in individuals who are susceptible to disease.
Cardiovascular Disease. Diets high in fat and saturated fat can increase ones risk of heart disease. High-protein diets often encourage consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products, which are all high in cholesterol, fat, and saturated fat. The most popular of the high-protein diets have been described as containing excessive amounts of these artery-clogging products.11 Adequate protein can be consumed through a variety of plant products which are cholesterol-free and contain only small amounts of fat.
Weight Loss Sabotage. Many individuals see almost immediate weight loss as a result of following a high-protein diet. In fact, the weight loss is not a result of consuming more protein, but by simply consuming less calories. Over the long run, consumption of this type of diet is not practical as it can result in the aforementioned health problems. As with any temporary diet, weight gain is often seen when previous eating habits are resumed. To achieve permanent weight loss while promoting optimal health, the best strategy involves lifestyle changes including a low-fat diet of grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables combined with regular physical activity.
Protein Checklist
High protein diets are unhealthy. However, adequate but not excess amounts of protein to maintain body tissues, including muscle, are still important and can be easily achieved on a vegetarian diet. If you are uncertain about the adequacy of protein in your diet, take inventory. Although all protein needs are individual, the following guidelines can help you to meet, but not exceed, your needs.
Aim for 5 or more servings of grains each day. This may include 1/2 cup of hot cereal, 1 oz. of dry cereal, or 1 slice of bread. Each serving contains roughly 3 grams of protein.
Aim for 3 or more servings of vegetables each day. This may include 1 cup of raw vegetables, 1/2 cup of cooked vegetables, or 1/2 cup of vegetable juice. Each serving contains about 2 grams of protein.
Aim for 2 to 3 servings of legumes each day. This may include 1/2 cup of cooked beans, 4 oz. of tofu or tempeh, 8 oz. of soymilk, and 1 oz. of nuts. Protein content can vary significantly, particularly with soy and rice milks, so be sure to check labels. Each serving may contain about 4 grams to 10 grams of protein. Meat analogues and substitutes are also great sources of protein that can be added to your daily diet.
References
1. Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets. J Amer Diet Assoc 1997;97(11):1317-21.
2. Munoz de Chavez M, Chavez A. Diet that prevents cancer: recommendations from the American Institute for Cancer Research. Int J Cancer Suppl 1998;11:85-9.
3. Position of the American Dietetic Association: weight management. J Amer Diet Assoc 1995;95:809.
4. World Cancer Research Fund. Food, Nutrition and the Prevention of Cancer: A Global Perspective. American Institute for Cancer Research. Washington, D.C.: 1997.
5. Ornish D, Brown SE, Scherwitz LW. Can lifestyle changes reverse coronary heart disease? Lancet 1990;336:129-33.
6. Position of the American Dietetic Association: nutrition for physical fitness and athletic performance for adults. J Amer Diet Assoc 1993;93:691.
7. Zemel MB. Calcium utilization: effect of varying level and source of dietary protein. Am J Clin Nutr 1988;48:880-3.
8. Potter JD. Nutrition and colorectal cancer. Cancer Causes Control 1996;7(1):127-46.
9. Giovannucci E, Goldin B. The role of fat, fatty acids, and total energy intake in the etiology of human colon cancer. Am J Clin Nutr 1997;66(6suppl):1564S-71S.
10. De Stefami E, Ronco A, Mendilaharsu M, et al. Meat intake, heterocyclic amines, and risk of breast cancer: a case-control study in Uruguay. Cancer Epidem Biomark Prev 1997;6:573-81.
11. Titchenal CA, Dobbs JC, Hetzler RK. Macronutrient composition of The Zone diet based on computer analysis. Med Sci Sport Exer 1997;29(5):S126.
This bring a a lot to the table.
To: SJackson
Everyone's metabolism is different and you need to find the diet that suits you best. I personally lost almost 80 pounds on Weight Wachers and plenty of exercise. At the same time I don't believe that I could have lost the same amount on Atkins, plus totally cutting out carbs is a little unnatural. Carbs are a very important part of your diet and just need to be consumed cautiously, which I know is hard to do. I'm guessing that I shall be excoriated for this belief.
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posted on
11/12/2003 6:57:26 PM PST
by
Brainhose
(THINK OF THE KITTENS!)
To: Brainhose
At the same time I don't believe that I could have lost the same amount on Atkins, plus totally cutting out carbs is a little unnatural. Carbs are a very important part of your diet and just need to be consumed cautiously, which I know is hard to do. I'm guessing that I shall be excoriated for this belief.First of all congratulations on your weight loss. Carbs are not completely cut out on Atkins. It is just that for some people their bodies don't metabolize them correctly and they wreak havoc on their bodies. For those people they do have to be careful, on which type of carbs as well as how many carbs.
I find that the real carbs really don't bother me too much except for most fruit. So I eat it sparingly. I don't like feeling like crap. That is my motivation to low carb.
It's the refined junk, you know the fake foods, partially hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, white flour, sugar, chips, cakes that really is the culprit.
To: Finalapproach29er
Natural Ovens Bakery is the brand and it's called Golden Crunch Lo-Carb Bread. In the Nutrition Facts the total carbs are 7g minus 4g of dietary fiber gives you only 3g net carbs. I have been eating it toasted or as grilled cheese. I also have some that has less fiber at 6g a slice but I really prefer the 3g bread best. I get it at Kroger's. Most Kroger stores carry Atkins stuff. You won't find this bread in the bread section. I've been on Atkins since August and just found the bread 2 weeks ago and I thought I died and went to heaven, I was so hungry for a sandwich. If you need any help, just ask. You can freemail me any time.
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posted on
11/12/2003 8:15:14 PM PST
by
RJayneJ
To: SJackson
Is that the wheat allergy thing?
If so, that's only part of it.
The starch in bread turns to sugar in your mouth while forming a sticky nutrient paste on your teeth, making a perfect home for the bacteria that rot your teeth.
I would not be surprised to learn that the occurrance of cavies in mankind skyrocketed with the farming of wheat and the baking of bread.
I suspect bread may also contribute to diabetes.
And then there's the digestion problems you mentioned.
I know of one fellow who had chronic diarrhea his whole adult life, which no doctor was able to help him cure . . . until he discovered, on his own, that eating wheat was causing it all along.
To: CajunConservative; SJackson
high fructose corn syrup Yeah--that garbage.
They put it in everything--read the ingredients.
It's a cheap substitute for sugar.
I used to think that soda didn't taste as good as it used to because it now comes in plastic bottles instead of the glass bottles it came in when I was a kid.
Perhaps that is true, but a bigger reason it does not taste as good is because they stopped using sugar.
They use corn syrup instead--it's cheaper.
(But that's not my problem any more: I weaned myself off soda by drinking plain seltzer water instead. Now I'll never drink soda again. Yuck.)
To: Age of Reason
FWIW, in recent years (I'm now 51), I've suffered nightly from acid reflux, gas, indigestion, etc. I was taking tums and Pepcid AC regularly.
Since going on Atkins, all symptoms have vanished.
(This is purely anecdotal evidence of something, results may vary.)
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posted on
11/12/2003 8:47:10 PM PST
by
TC Rider
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