Posted on 11/12/2003 11:48:38 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
Among the elements in the U.S. Senate that frustrate Zell Miller _ and there are plenty _ perhaps none does he find more annoying than the fact 41 senators can kill any legislation, even if the other 59 support it. The age-old rule allowing a strong minority of lawmakers in the upper chamber to filibuster _ essentially delay _ a bill to death has always irked the Georgia senator. Never has it irked him more than now, with fellow Democrats using the parliamentary technique to block four judicial appointments, all of whom he supports. Filibusters in general and judicial filibusters particularly go on trial Wednesday as Republicans kickoff a 30-hour marathon debate designed to attract attention to the cause. When they finish, the Senate is expected to consider a rules change sponsored by Miller and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., that would outlaw the infinite filibuster of judges. Miller is well aware of the ironic fate his measure will likely meet. Assuming Republicans have the votes to pass it, the rules change itself is expected to be filibustered by Democrats. Right now the filibuster kind of runs under the radar and nobody really knows its going on, said Miller, who is retiring when his term ends next year. Someday, somebody a lot more articulate and younger and more forceful than I is going to get across to the American people just what in the world is going on here. Millers wrath toward the filibuster is so strong that he devotes an entire chapter to it in his new book, A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat. He says filibuster comes from the Spanish word pirate and argues thats a fitting translation for a majority seeing its proposals pillaged by the minority. Although the bill being considered this week would apply only to judges, Miller wants to go much further. Last month, he introduced a bill that would abolish the Senate rule allowing for a filibuster with less than 50 votes. Earlier, he tried to push through a measure limiting filibusters to six or seven days and requiring only a simple-majority vote to cut it shorter. Never has one of his proposals been considered close to passage _ at least close enough to withstand a filibuster. But Miller says the goal isnt necessarily to get the measure passed this week, or even before he retires. Its to plant the seed to get it changed in the future. You want to protect the minority, want to give them a voice, but you cant let them stop an up or down vote or you shouldnt be able to, he said. Majority rule is the principle of free government everywhere except in the United States Senate. It doesnt make any sense. Under the Miller-Frist bill applying only to judges, a nomination must have been pending for 12 hours before a senator can request cloture, a vote to end debate. The first time cloture is sought, it would take 60 votes, as is the case now. After that, there would be diminishing requirements of 57, 54, 51 and finally a simple majority of those present and voting. Besides being a smaller body than the House, the Senate is often referred to as the worlds most deliberative body, with longer debates and more powers for the minority. Proponents of the filibuster say the parliamentary tool is a major part of that. Miller and most Republicans, however, argue filibusters of judicial nominations arent part of the Senates rich parliamentary history. Until these four judicial nominees were tapped by President Bush, only one such appointment had been stalled with a filibuster _ President Lyndon B. Johnsons promotion of Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas to be chief justice in 1968. Johnson later withdrew the nomination. This is a first, spanning the 200-year tradition of the Senate, said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. We need to keep the pressure on to get these judges confirmed. Unless we pass his legislation and change the rules, its not likely to change. The 30-hour Senate talkathon on judges will begin Wednesday evening and go until Friday morning. At issue are nominations of four to various U.S. Appeals Courts: Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, Texas judge Priscilla Owen, Mississippi judge Charles Pickering and Hispanic lawyer Miguel Estrada. The Republicans are consumed by those four jobs and ignore the 3 million jobs that weve lost over the course of the last three years under this administrations economic policies, said Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.
I would like to hear one good reason why this has not already been done? REALLY can some one tell me why Frist has not forced the Dems to a REAL filibuster? WHY? do some of you understand this?
Then why can't the Republicans have most in chambers and then just voice vote? I have hear the Dems do that and not sure if a quorum was even there.
What is good for the goose, good for gander
You are right, but the Rats can filibuster the rule change, thus requiring 3/5ths again.
Pure baloney. Need I remind you, this is a conservative website.
Both Reagan and Bush43 have pushed an incremental conservative agenda. Besides, appointment of moderate jurists to the USSC, will only get you more of the same. More O'Conner's and more Kennedy's. The object is for conservatism to triumph over liberalism. What is needed is more Scalia's, Thomases and Rehnquist's
Most likely, the issue of the Senate violating the Advise and Consent Clause would be pitched out of court on its ear. Furthermore, the kind of judicial thinking that would lead any federal judge to get involved in this issue is EXACTLY the kind of judge and thinking that constitutionalists have no use for.
Those are two excellent reasons why this issue should never see the inside of a courtroom. The third reason is that the nuclear option will solve the issue with only a majority vote in the Senate.
John / Billybob
NO!, Rule changes only require a simple majority. The problem is with only a 1 seat majority, there are enough RINOs that are against the rule change to kill the measure.
Nope.
Need I remind you, this is a conservative website.
Nope. What I said applies to countless postings here and you know as well as I do that it is accurate.
Been there Done that. already. Of course they had a lot of help from hoodwinked republican presidents. david Sooter comes to mind.
What several Southern Conservatives have been saying for awhile. Of course nobody listens to us, we 'need' Republicans shipped in that the RNC wants for Senate. We're not allowed to vote on people that actually live in this state. Oh no, they have somebody 'better' for us. And now that the Republicans actually hold the Senate, this is what we get....
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