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Sen. Miller seeks to bust filibusters after 30-hour debate
AccessNorthGA ^ | 11/12/03

Posted on 11/12/2003 11:48:38 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Among the elements in the U.S. Senate that frustrate Zell Miller _ and there are plenty _ perhaps none does he find more annoying than the fact 41 senators can kill any legislation, even if the other 59 support it.

The age-old rule allowing a strong minority of lawmakers in the upper chamber to filibuster _ essentially delay _ a bill to death has always irked the Georgia senator. Never has it irked him more than now, with fellow Democrats using the parliamentary technique to block four judicial appointments, all of whom he supports.

Filibusters in general and judicial filibusters particularly go on trial Wednesday as Republicans kickoff a 30-hour marathon debate designed to attract attention to the cause. When they finish, the Senate is expected to consider a rules change sponsored by Miller and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., that would outlaw the infinite filibuster of judges.

Miller is well aware of the ironic fate his measure will likely meet. Assuming Republicans have the votes to pass it, the rules change itself is expected to be filibustered by Democrats.

Right now the filibuster kind of runs under the radar and nobody really knows its going on, said Miller, who is retiring when his term ends next year. Someday, somebody a lot more articulate and younger and more forceful than I is going to get across to the American people just what in the world is going on here.

Millers wrath toward the filibuster is so strong that he devotes an entire chapter to it in his new book, A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat. He says filibuster comes from the Spanish word pirate and argues thats a fitting translation for a majority seeing its proposals pillaged by the minority.

Although the bill being considered this week would apply only to judges, Miller wants to go much further. Last month, he introduced a bill that would abolish the Senate rule allowing for a filibuster with less than 50 votes. Earlier, he tried to push through a measure limiting filibusters to six or seven days and requiring only a simple-majority vote to cut it shorter.

Never has one of his proposals been considered close to passage _ at least close enough to withstand a filibuster. But Miller says the goal isnt necessarily to get the measure passed this week, or even before he retires. Its to plant the seed to get it changed in the future.

You want to protect the minority, want to give them a voice, but you cant let them stop an up or down vote or you shouldnt be able to, he said. Majority rule is the principle of free government everywhere except in the United States Senate. It doesnt make any sense.

Under the Miller-Frist bill applying only to judges, a nomination must have been pending for 12 hours before a senator can request cloture, a vote to end debate. The first time cloture is sought, it would take 60 votes, as is the case now. After that, there would be diminishing requirements of 57, 54, 51 and finally a simple majority of those present and voting.

Besides being a smaller body than the House, the Senate is often referred to as the worlds most deliberative body, with longer debates and more powers for the minority. Proponents of the filibuster say the parliamentary tool is a major part of that.

Miller and most Republicans, however, argue filibusters of judicial nominations arent part of the Senates rich parliamentary history. Until these four judicial nominees were tapped by President Bush, only one such appointment had been stalled with a filibuster _ President Lyndon B. Johnsons promotion of Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas to be chief justice in 1968. Johnson later withdrew the nomination.

This is a first, spanning the 200-year tradition of the Senate, said Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala. We need to keep the pressure on to get these judges confirmed. Unless we pass his legislation and change the rules, its not likely to change.

The 30-hour Senate talkathon on judges will begin Wednesday evening and go until Friday morning. At issue are nominations of four to various U.S. Appeals Courts: Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, Texas judge Priscilla Owen, Mississippi judge Charles Pickering and Hispanic lawyer Miguel Estrada.

The Republicans are consumed by those four jobs and ignore the 3 million jobs that weve lost over the course of the last three years under this administrations economic policies, said Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.



TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: filibuster; marathon; natlpartynomore; nominees; zellmiller
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1 posted on 11/12/2003 11:48:38 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I still don't understand why the pubbies don't change this freakin' rule!
2 posted on 11/12/2003 11:51:21 AM PST by theDentist (Liberals can sugarcoat sh** all they want. I'm not biting.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
After this, the Republicans should do a 300-hour talkathon, then a 3000 hour one, and so on, until this issue is resolved for good. Enough pussy-footing around!
3 posted on 11/12/2003 11:53:25 AM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I heard Sen. Miller discussing this on Hannity's radio show. I doubt our forefathers wanted a tyrannical minority to rule over the mejority..sounds very un-American
The laws need to be changed.
4 posted on 11/12/2003 11:53:30 AM PST by Mich0127
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To: theDentist
I still don't understand why the pubbies don't change this freakin' rule!

Rule changes require a 2/3rds vote.

5 posted on 11/12/2003 11:53:39 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: theDentist
They can't, the dems would fillibuster. The ONLY answer is to do a recess appointment with people like judge bork.
6 posted on 11/12/2003 11:53:48 AM PST by 1Old Pro (ESPN now has 4 little wimpy sissies left. I'm switching back to FOX.)
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To: jmstein7
BUMP!
7 posted on 11/12/2003 11:54:06 AM PST by Mich0127
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To: theDentist
Wouldn't that require a cloture vote as well?
8 posted on 11/12/2003 11:54:09 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: theDentist
I still don't understand why the pubbies don't change this freakin' rule!

This freakin' rule is the reason we don't have HillaryCare.

9 posted on 11/12/2003 11:56:04 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: 1Old Pro
How about a recess appointment of Roy Moore, the Alabama state chief justice?
10 posted on 11/12/2003 11:57:47 AM PST by dufekin (Yassir Arafat? He's a terrorist ringleader extraordinaire. He's "wanted dead or alive"--and now!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd vote for Zell Miller over a good number of Republican Senators. He's everything Jeffords was not when it comes to being a 'rogue'. He honored the voters who put him there by staying put, but he votes with his conscience and tries to reform his party (in vain) from within. He's one of those guys my late mother, a lifelong liberal, and I would both have voted for (something I can't say about very many people).
11 posted on 11/12/2003 11:58:00 AM PST by TrappedInLiberalHell (Kids come running for the sweet taste of Sampo!)
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To: theDentist
Because four or five of those "Republicans" are scared the dems would "stop playing nice" and stall everything, which wouldn't be good. Then again, that would mean the Senate couldn't pass the prescription drug entitlement, assault weapons ban renewal, and other liberal garbage Bush is too chicken to veto.
12 posted on 11/12/2003 11:58:19 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Filibusters in general and judicial filibusters particularly go on trial Wednesday as Republicans kickoff a 30-hour marathon debate designed to attract attention to the cause. When they finish, the Senate is expected to consider a rules change sponsored by Miller and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., that would outlaw the infinite filibuster of judges."

Could get very interesting. A thirty hour advertisement, and then on with the show, with most of the nation watching.

13 posted on 11/12/2003 11:59:58 AM PST by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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To: theDentist
Point of order; nuclear option; you only need a bare majority for a ruling on the rule.
14 posted on 11/12/2003 12:00:21 PM PST by jmstein7
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To: theDentist
Filibuster is a good rule ... helps prevent tyranny of the majority. But the majority should force the filibusterers to actually filibuster. Like, get on the floor and talk nonstop for hours on end, instead of just caving when they threaten to filibuster.
15 posted on 11/12/2003 12:01:12 PM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: ModelBreaker
This freakin' rule is the reason we don't have HillaryCare.

Good point. The fillibuster option should stay in the rules. Let the issue be settled in the political arena. Let the participants force a real fillibuster. Let the politicians compete for the public attention/sympathy. Let public concern be expressed through phone/mail to senators. Let the next election cycle make appropriate adjustments.

16 posted on 11/12/2003 12:04:51 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd vote for Zell Miller over a good number of Republican Senators.

You might have to kiss your FreeRepublic account goodbye. That is not tolerated around here.

17 posted on 11/12/2003 12:06:08 PM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Recess appointments of someone more conservative than the person being fillibustered. Sounds like great political hardball to me. And probably the best option right now.
18 posted on 11/12/2003 12:07:52 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: TrappedInLiberalHell
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd vote for Zell Miller over a good number of Republican Senators.

Me too. Zell or Arlen? No contest. Zell or Olympia?
One's a commie, and it AIN'T Zell.
Zell or Lincoln....no doubt, I vote for the dem in a heartbeat.
19 posted on 11/12/2003 12:08:20 PM PST by MamaLucci (Clinton met with a White House intern more than he did with his CIA director)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Rule changes require a 2/3rds vote.


Actually I believe a senate rule can be changed with a simple majority and that is their plan.

When another cloture vote fails, a senator will claim a point of order, request a rule change and a simple majority vote will dump the cloture rule for judicial appointments. Or something like that. ;-)

20 posted on 11/12/2003 12:09:02 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Do not believe everything you read! Suspicious sources: NYT, WP, LAT. You have been warned.)
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