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Petition Seeks to End Women's Risk of Combat
NewsMax ^ | 11/11/03 | Jon Dougherty

Posted on 11/11/2003 1:29:40 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

In time for Veterans Day and the release of former Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch's autobiography, a military reform group is calling on President Bush to revise "Clinton-era rules" it says unnecessarily expose servicewomen to greater risk. The Center for Military Readiness, in a position paper published on its Web site, says new details about the sexually abusive treatment of Lynch by her Iraqi captors should be enough to spur lawmakers into ensuring military women in the future are better protected and shielded from combat roles.

"We need brave women in the military, but no one's daughter should have to suffer an ordeal comparable to that experienced by the 19-year-old Lynch — not in the name of women's careers, men's resentment, military necessity, or anything else," said a statement by the center.

In an effort to prompt changes, the center has initiated a petition drive (www.americansforthemilitary.com) directed at President Bush, asking him to order civilian and uniformed military officials to allow "female soldiers to serve their country without deliberate exposure to greater, unequal risk."

The petition, which the center said Tuesday has already garnered more than 18,000 signatures, is also being supported by 15 other groups, according to a statement.

Elaine Donnelly, the center's president, told NewsMax the changes recommended in the petition should be implemented before the next major U.S. military engagement.

"We felt the changes were necessary before the war in Iraq, but it wasn't appropriate" to suggest them while American forces were in harm's way, Donnelly said.

Specifically, the petition calls on the president to:

"Find a way to allow military women, especially those in support units, to serve without undue exposure to 'a substantial risk of capture' in or near close combat units, to the greatest degree possible.

"Restore single-gender basic training in the Army, which experts have recognized as a more efficient and militarily effective format for male and female trainees alike.

"Review and revise well-meaning but problematic pregnancy and family policies that hurt readiness by increasing single parenthood, and poverty in the military, as well as the incidence of long-term separations of young children from single or dual-service parents. "Revoke perceived pressures for gender-based recruiting goals and quotas, which unnecessarily burden recruiters and increase the cost of maintaining a strong and ready All-Volunteer Force." Jessica's Ordeal

Lynch's unit, the 507th Maintenance Ordnance Company, fell under Iraqi attack near Nasiriyah on March 23. In the ensuing battle, 11 fellow soldiers would die, and Iraqi troops took Lynch prisoner.

Though U.S. special forces rescued her from an Iraqi hospital April 1, according to her autobiography she was first raped and sodomized by her Iraqi captors. The claim of sexual assault is disputed by Iraqi doctors, who said they saw no evidence of it while Lynch was in their custody.

Nevertheless, Donnelly says Lynch's ordeal justifies the petition.

"You've got contradicting stories, but ... one does not preclude the other." Keeping women out of harm's way is the issue, she told NewsMax.

Privacy vs. Military's Needs

Citing the secrecy surrounding Lynch's alleged sexual abuse, Donnelly said the military had created a "dichotomy" for itself: protecting a woman's right to privacy at the risk of undermining the chain of command.

"What I see as an emerging controversy ... is this issue of confidentiality," Donnelly said. "You can't have it both ways. You can't say we're sending women into units known to involve a high risk of capture [and ensuing abuse] and then say if anything bad happens, it falls under confidentiality rules."

Donnelly said it didn't matter "if it happens at the Air Force Academy or at the hands of the enemy," protecting confidentiality of the victim at the risk of keeping commanders "in the dark" undermined command and placed women in an unfair advantage over men.

"Sometimes due process goes out the window once you're accused," she said. "But if commanders are expected to be responsible for what happens, then confidentiality isn't consistent with that."

Clintonoid Rules

The center said the Clinton administration implemented the rules of engagement for women that placed Lynch and other female military personnel in harm's way in Iraq.

"In 1994, Bill Clinton's Secretary of Defense Les Aspin announced new personnel assignment regulations that were billed as expanded 'career opportunities' for women," said the center, in its position paper. "Female enlistees, including Lynch and former prisoner of war Spec. Shoshana Johnson, clearly were not aware that the rules had changed. No one told them, it seems, that women would be assigned to previously all-male units, even in support missions known to involve a 'substantial risk of capture.'"

"These Clinton-era rules remain in effect today," said the center.

Johnson and Lynch, members of the same unit, were captured together March 23.

"Without further delay, President George W. Bush should direct Pentagon officials to find a way for female soldiers to serve their country without deliberate exposure to greater, unequal risk," the center said.

Larry Flynt Thinks He's Cute

Adding to the controversy over Lynch, Bush-hating Democrat pornographer Larry Flynt reaped a bonanza of media attention for himself Tuesday by claiming he bought nude photos of her last month to publish in Hustler magazine. He claimed he decided not to publish the pictures because Lynch was "a victim of the Bush administration."

The photos supposedly show the undressed Army supply clerk posing with male soldiers.

"Jessica Lynch is a good kid, she's not a hypocrite or out to fool anyone," according a statement from Flynt. "She's just a victim of the Bush administration, who is using her to justify the war in Iraq and force-feed us a Joan of Arc."

Lynch has declined to comment.

Her attorney, Stephen Goodwin, said in a statement: "It's incredulous [sic] that anyone would think it appropriate in any way to attempt to publish unauthorized photos of Jessica - photos taken before she was deployed to Iraq and before her capture and rescue."



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: clinton; jondougherty; military; militaryreadiness; women; womenincombat

1 posted on 11/11/2003 1:29:41 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So, what do these women want? They want equal access to specialized training, yet want to be exempt from using what they have been taught in a combat situation. They want diminished physical demands for PT (longer time to run a mile, lift less weight, fewer pushups); yet demand that their fellow soldiers carry whatever weight they cannot pull themselves. They want advancement through the ranks, but not by virtue of experience. How will this make the military stronger, without needlessly endangering the lives of soldiers who are now commanded by officers without experience?
2 posted on 11/11/2003 1:44:18 PM PST by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
What happened to womens lib the now group if Lynch was following the rules she would not have been in this mess in the first place. More this story unfolds the more I feel no women should be in the armed forces period. Their endangering the men who are doing their jobs and are causing nothing but pain and problems by being over their.
3 posted on 11/11/2003 1:45:04 PM PST by bikerman
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
How about bringing back some form of the Womens' Corps? That would keep women almost totally out of the reach of the combat front, would alleviate the need for double standards in physical performance (i.e. from then on, all soldiers must be able to do x number of pushups etc), and would still allow for the same level of promotion. Heck, make it another branch of the service, and have it take over all the jobs currently allowed to women. Then they would be allowed to set their own standards without diluting the combat services. The older services would retain just enough of those positions to handle the field-of-combat end of those operations (unloading planes, serving food, etc), but the new Corps would handle all the non-forward-deployed aspects, and would have a complete command structure. That way the DACOWITS weenies would still get their command path, the combat services would no longer have to look the other way when some soldiers couldn't carry a battle-buddy out of harm's way, and the vast majority of women would never have to worry about being raped by the enemy.

Women would still be able to join the other services, and would still be eligible for all the jobs they are now, but they would have to meet a single set of standards, just like the men, and therefore would probably be able to handle themselves.

Men who joined the Support Corps would still have to pass combat physical standards, so it wouldn't be an easy way out, though it would give conscientious objectors another route.

Thoughts?
4 posted on 11/11/2003 1:47:51 PM PST by Little Pig
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Men are raped too. And tortured, and killed.

These are not rational arguments to keep women out of certain military areas in war.

There may be some rational arguments but rape is not one of them.
5 posted on 11/11/2003 1:48:32 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Little Pig
That's a good idea. Presently, many of the support positions in the military are contracted out to private contractors. Why not bring back these services into the fold of the direct employment by the US Government as a separate branch of the military?
6 posted on 11/11/2003 1:51:12 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"In an effort to prompt changes, the center has initiated a petition drive (www.americansforthemilitary.com) directed at President Bush, asking him to order civilian and uniformed military officials to allow 'female soldiers to serve their country without deliberate exposure to greater, unequal risk.' "

UNEQUAL risk?? B.S. No matter how you feel about Muslims in general or the Iraqi army in particular, they have not been deliberately targeting woman: they target EVERYONE, pretty much equally and with equal malice.

Women who are shot in combat are no less dead or wounded than men.

I don't believe women shouls be put into regular combat situations. I never have. But the "unequal risk" argument does not wash and this "women's group" has not made a convincing case for some shadowy form of cheuvanism.

In fact, the only argument which makes the case to keep women out of combat IS what feminazis consider a cheuvanistic one. I'm a woman, BTW. I'm perfectly capable of killing or dying for my fellows or my country, but will NEVER agree with voluntarily sticking an extra distraction (WOMEN) into a d@mned battle! The EXCEPTIONS do NOT justify (current military) rules!

7 posted on 11/11/2003 2:01:59 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Lorianne
"There may be some rational arguments but rape is not one of them."

Yep.

8 posted on 11/11/2003 2:03:30 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Little Pig
"Heck, make it another branch of the service, and have it take over all the jobs currently allowed to women. Then they would be allowed to set their own standards without diluting the combat services. The older services would retain just enough of those positions to handle the field-of-combat end of those operations (unloading planes, serving food, etc), but the new Corps would handle all the non-forward-deployed aspects, and would have a complete command structure. That way the DACOWITS weenies would still get their command path, the combat services would no longer have to look the other way when some soldiers couldn't carry a battle-buddy out of harm's way, and the vast majority of women would never have to worry about being raped by the enemy"

Hmmm...interesting idea. Heck, bringing back the WACs and WAVSs would help...but be considered "sexist"

9 posted on 11/11/2003 2:10:40 PM PST by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
I was thinking WACS and WAVES, but then I thought it needed to be more extensive than that. That's why I thought separate branch of service. Also, men would have to be able to join, and women would still be able to join the combat services (current services). However, the combat services would then be able to set a single physical performance standard. The new branch would still have a double standard, but only to make sure no men joined to get easy duty. It would still be lopsided, just less so than it is now.
10 posted on 11/11/2003 2:25:30 PM PST by Little Pig
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To: Lorianne
"Men are raped too. And tortured, and killed."

My recollection from Gulf War I was 100% of the women taken captive were raped and 0% of the men. I haven't seen any results from studies of Gulf War II yet.

11 posted on 11/11/2003 2:25:35 PM PST by iranger
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To: Little Pig
Forgot to add that this would also let the combat services slim down dramatically, and make them more mobile, as is the current fashion in the Def. Dept. since nearly all the support train would be taken on by this new branch. It would be a substantial branch, since it would have to accomodate the supply needs of all the services, and would therefore be kind of a combination of all the others, utilizing ships, rail, aircraft, trucks, tracked vehicles, etc. not to mention communications, logistics (duh), and nearly every other aspect of a fighting force, save only actual war vehicles, and heavy armaments. I would even go so far as to say they would still have to combat-qualify with a light weapon such as a rifle or pistol, just not with the intensity that the front-liners did. The new branch would not take over historical units like the bands and honors units though, since those are intrinsic to the combat units that spawned them.
12 posted on 11/11/2003 2:31:18 PM PST by Little Pig
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To: Hodar
I'm curious to know how many of the women on this petition are currently serving.

Oh, right, social conservatism is never about the person doing the complaining - its about making choices for other people because the complainer has such a better lifestyle planned for the people they seek to bar from an activity.

13 posted on 11/11/2003 2:31:32 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Little Pig
If anyone wants to back me for political office, with this as a plank of my campaign, I'll run.
14 posted on 11/11/2003 2:32:09 PM PST by Little Pig
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To: Little Pig
One thought that comes to mind, is that despite the barbarism practiced by the Hussein regime, there were NO women fighting on the front lines of the Iraqi army!

At least they got ONE thing right!
15 posted on 11/11/2003 2:36:45 PM PST by spoiler2
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
In my opinion, President Clinton's decision to put women into combat units was one of the reasons for which he should have been impeached. (See President Clinton & The Abuse Of Power.)

Confusing the roles involved can only serve to undermine morale. For over a thousand years, a sense that War--when necessary--is a male duty, has brought out the best in young men; it is the Chivalric ethic. Clinton tried in a number of ways to undermine military morale, and this is the most obvious.

William Flax

16 posted on 11/11/2003 2:42:24 PM PST by Ohioan
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