Posted on 11/06/2003 7:31:54 PM PST by republicanwizard
Astounding Triumph of Republicanism.
THE NORTH RISING IN INDIGNATION AT THE MENACES OF THE SOUTH
Abraham Lincoln Probably Elected President by a Majority of the Entire Popular Vote
Forty Thousand Majority for the Republican Ticket in New-York
One Hundred Thousand Majority in Pennsylvania
Seventy Thousand Majority in Massachusetts
Corresponding Gains in the Western and North-Western States
Preponderance of John Bell and Conservatism at the South
Results of the Contest upon Congressional and Local Tickets
The canvass for the Presidency of the United States terminated last evening, in all the States of the Union, under the revised regulation of Congress, passed in 1845, and the result, by the vote of New-York, is placed beyond question at once. It elects ABRAHAM LINCOLN of Illinois, President, and HANNIBAL HAMLIN of Maine, Vice-President of the United States, for four years, from the 4th March next, directly by the People.
The election, so far as the City and State of New-York are concerned, will probably stand, hereafter as one of the most remarkable in the political contests of the country; marked, as it is, by far the heaviest popular vote ever cast in the City, and by the sweeping, and almost uniform, Republican majorities in the country.
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ELECTION DAY IN THE CITY: All Quiet and Orderly At the Polls: Progress of the Voting in the Several Wards: The City After Nightfall: How the News Was Received: Unbounded Enthusiasm of the Republicans and Bell-Everett Headquarters: The Times Office Beseiged: Midnight Display of Wide-Awakes: Bonfires and Illuminations
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Up until a few weeks before the attack, a food arrangement had been made and they were being fully fed.
"Up until a few weeks before.." One of the last messages that the Lincoln administration had from Major Anderson warned that he didn't have enough supplies to hold out for more than a few weeks. Without any reason to doubt his warnings then Lincoln quite rightly launched a resupply effort, making it clear to the Davis regime through a message to Governor Pickens that the effort was meant to land food only, and would only land men and munitions if opposed. And had Davis been interested in a peaceful solution then he would have held his fire and that is what would have happened.
...yeah, on a fleet of heavily armed warships with explicit directions to fire upon anything and everything that denies them access to Charleston harbor.
A prudent decision, given the confederate propensity to fire on anything and everything flying the U.S. flag.
Lincoln's orders to fight their way into the harbor say differently.
U.S. actions say different. In the three months leading up to the southern attack, and inspite of a number of provocations, the Lincoln administration had not made a single aggressive action.
Lincoln's actions confirm it.
In his 1860 inaugural address, Lincoln said: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
Two years later, President Lincoln wrote: "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union (Letter to Horace Greeley, August 22, 1862)."
In 1858 Lincoln wrote: "I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."
It is you who are incorrect. Speaking of the Republican platform in a June 1864 letter to the Republican party leadership accepting nomination for reelection, Lincoln stated the following:
"I will say now, however, I approve the declaration in favor of so amending the Constitution as to prohibit slavery throughtout the nation. When the people in revole, with a hundred days of explicit notice, that they could within those days, resume their allegiance, without overthrow of their institution...elected to stand out, such amendment to the Constitution became a fitting and necessary conclusion to the final success of the Union cause."
Lincoln went on to campaign on the passage of the 13th Amendment and in his annual message to Congress in December urged the House of Representatives to pass the amendment, noting that the elections had made it clear that the people wanted the Amendment passed out of Congress and the results of the election ensured that it would be passed once the new Congress was sworn in in January. And he proudly acknowledged that his home state of Illinois was among the first to ratify the Amendment in February 1865.
Two years later, President Lincoln wrote...
Please present the quote if full:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. "
And don't forget the next paragraph where he says, "I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
Now ask yourself if the preservation of one form of representative government over another was worth the lives of an entire generation.
Yes, Georgia ratified it, giving it 3/4ths of the States' consent, and freed the slaves in the North.
"Whereas, while heretofore, States, and Nations, have tolerated slavery, recently, for the first time in the world, an attempt has been made to construct a new nation, upon the basis of, and with the primary, and fundamental object to maintain, enlarge, and perpetuate human slavery, therefore,
Resolved, that no such embryo State should ever be recognized by, or admitted into, the family of christian and civilized nations; and that all Christian and civilized men everywhere should, by all lawful means, resist to the utmost, such recognition or admission."
4/15/63
Walt
Did that 2/3rds include any southern states?
"No state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate" - Article V, US Constitution
Rump Congresses are invalid congresses.
Big deal.
By 1865 he had changed his mind.
By any reasonable standard, Lincoln's position was far in advance of most people of the day.
Walt
Did that 2/3rds include any southern states?
Irrelevant as to process.
Are you complaining that the slaves were freed? Sounds like it.
Walt
Yeah, well. A lot of southern congressmen and senators packed up and went home having sworn off their allegiance to the Constitution.
Sorry, bucko. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Walt
Why don't we segue onto black confederates, or tarrifs, or who paid for Fort Sumter? Are all the good issues talked out?
Walt
What facts? Like the fact that states pay tarrifs?
What a hoot -that- was.
Don't worry; I'm leaving soon. It's almost time for the Phil Fulmer Show and the Tennessee-Miami replay.
And on my birthday too!
Walt
Tell that to the captain of one of the schooners chartered by Anderson to transport women, children, and supplies from Fort Moultrie to Fort Johnson on Dec 26, 1861. The Federal soldiers onboard overcame the captain of the schooner (he put up a fight), then redirected the ship to Fort Sumter.
Or tell that to the civilian workmen at Fort Sumter who were charged with bayonets by Abner Doubleday's troops on Dec 26, 1861.
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