[aposiopetic]

Primate Peter Carnley

So, on his view, he was for two weeks neither human nor primate, then for a span of years a human primate, and finally, at long last, a Primate.

[ClearCase_guy]

a genetically novel kind of cell

I get all tingly when they use this complicated, super-scientific and really-really-precise terminology.

[pgyanke]

This is part of the new Anglican approach of adopting and accepting pop culture. The purpose of this pronouncement is shown in the last couple of lines... fertility treatments and stem cell research. According to the Anglicans, go ahead as long as you do it within the first 14 days.

Why are people so dead set on playing God? A cell, freshly fertilized, is no less a potential adult than an embryo. The real question is "at what point have we humans done our part and it's time to let God take it from there?"

The answer is conception.

All we can do after that is choose to allow God's plan to unfold or abort it in process. All of this other parsing and nitpicking is meant to serve a purpose and ideology--it's not a careful and prayerful pursuit of truth.

[syriacus]

he fertilised egg must also pass the point that it could split to become an identical twin, which was at about 14 days.

If it splits into twins do they have to wait another 14 days?

(I know, I know. He's talking about the number of cells, rather than a literal time period.)

[RightWhale]

Oh, implantation. Sounds like as good a reason as any other.

[JmyBryan]

Well, I for one am glad we've finally gotten this whole thing figured out.

[Qwinn]

"If conception was defined as the meeting of gametes - egg and sperm - then the cloned sheep Dolly was not conceived, because Dolly was the product of cell nuclear transfer, where the ovum nucleus was replaced by DNA from an adult cell."

Has anyone argued that Dolly -was- conceived? Anyone? Bueller?

Qwinn

[Cindy]

"LIFE STARTS AT THE BEGINNING." -Cindy

LIFE!
http://www.truthusa.com/cindy.html#LIFE

[xzins]

Up until the 14th day it certainly isn't death.

In any case, I'm willing to compromise on the time for a legal abortion being between the 1st and the 13th days of life.

I'm afraid, though, that we're going to have to start by getting the 9th month ruled off limits to abortions.

And before that we're going to have to start by ruling all courts other than the Supreme Court out of the discussion altogether.

[r9etb]

IIRC there are two archbishops in Australia -- Peter Jensen of Sydney, who is orthodox, and Peter Carnley, from Perth, who is not orthodox.

I'm sure you'll all be very surprised to learn that Carnley also supports same-sex unions.

[freeangel]

Don't worry, I'm sure they will come around to partial birth abortions.

[beavus]

Archbishop Carnley said that until it was implanted in a womb lining, a fertilised egg was not a human life but rather a genetically novel kind of cell.

So I wonder, is a sperm not human, or is it not alive? I used to think it was both.

[omegatoo]

"I am the Immaculate 14-day embryo"
Mary

Yeah, that works < /sarcasm >

O2

[GeekDejure]

Well... at least at 14 days some freeky so-called doctor can't ram a pliars into you and then suck your brains out !!!

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[OpusatFR]

Why, I had absolutely no idea God was on not only Greenwich Mean Time, but that His day had 24 hours.

[Tac12]

Hmm, I think it is after 17 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes
and 3 seconds.

[FixitGuy]

Pardon me for being obtuse, but what the heck is the big difference between fertilization and the egg renting a room in the womb?

The big argument today is the partial birth of a child and the murderous act of ramming scissors into its brain.

(It disgusts me to even type that.)

But talk about a "moot point"; fertilization or 14 days after? What am I missing?

[Sloth]

I'll just let my tagline address this one.

[syriacus]

I'm not sure how this would add to the discussion but here goes...

Identical twins can differ

Even identical twins can have biological differences. Identical twins do have the same genes but never the same mitochondria (which also contain genetic material). The mitochondria split into two different sets at the very first division of the fertilized egg-before twinning occurs.

[Cultural Jihad]

Archbishop Carnley said that until it was implanted in a womb lining, a fertilised egg was not a human life but rather a genetically novel kind of cell.

More superstitutious nonsense from the Charch of England which likes to try to catch up with the world rather than with the Holy Spirit.