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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 5 -7, 2003
Various | November 5, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/05/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 5 - November 5-7)
(Link back to Thread 4 - Nov. 3-4)

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Contained in Thread 4:

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Resource links to search business and criminal records in Florida, info on special guardian ad litum meeting (attempt to change qualifications?), Michael Schiavo parody, link to referral letter for Dr. Hammersfahr to the Nobel committee, transcript to Abrams Report closing commments - Nov.3, e-mail address for Larry King Live, Florida statutes on guardianship and some damning statements against Michael.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

I know we're all getting tired, but we have to hang in there. This isn't just Terri's fight anymore. It is our fight too. To everyone who has worked tirelessly to gather information, write letters, make phone calls, spend time in prayer, be at the vigil supporting Terri's family and all the many other offerings you have given for this effort, thank you and may the Lord richly bless you.

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrisdailies
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To: Budge
Yes, something smells there, too. She seems to have been 'suckered' into signing away his right to live through fraud (if they inserted the "feeding and hydration page" later) or they may simply be misdiagnosing him as PVS in order to execute the terms of his "living will."

Be afraid! Sign every page, initial every single item and make sure an attorney is present to go over the clauses and indemnifications. Also note that because the document was signed in a Federal VA hospital, it is applicable in any State.

Since Terri's case went public in a big way, a lot of these living wills have been hastily drawn up and in some cases, no doubt, they restrict rather than protect the rights as intended.
861 posted on 11/07/2003 7:52:37 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
HA...you and sweet liberty have cracked me up, her w/the troll thing and now this one...LOL very good
862 posted on 11/07/2003 7:53:17 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Orlando
What happen with the LARRY KING INTERVIEW ??

I heard it was pushed to Friday, but someone posted here that that is out too.

This is not necessarily a bad thing, no matter how much we all wanted to see it. If the Shindlers cancelled, it might have been Pat Andderson's suggestion. It is possible the Schlinders might have said something to damage their case against HINO.

863 posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:25 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: TigersEye
Halloween 5, starring Felos as the New Age Witch?
864 posted on 11/07/2003 7:55:40 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: Theodore R.; cyn; floriduh voter; sweetliberty; All
http://www.joniandfriends.org/outreach/wftw/wftw.shtml

(excerpt)

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865 posted on 11/07/2003 7:58:30 AM PST by tutstar
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To: msmagoo; Theodore R.
link to Kathleen's letter to the St. Petersburg Times (which they did not publish)

Oh darn, I was hoping for something I could show my co-worker. If only that letter to the editor had at least been published.

Is there no way we can find out if it's true? I'm about to lose some serious credibility points here.

866 posted on 11/07/2003 8:09:17 AM PST by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: TigersEye
Coffee seems to be having the effect of putting me back to sleep

Are you sure it was coffee and not "a liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea"?

867 posted on 11/07/2003 8:12:39 AM PST by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: msmagoo; cyn; All
the greater the injustice, the greater the chance for redemption


you just reminded me of this........
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Thank you Lord for the grace which you are pouring on Terri and those who are trying to help her. Lord you said you would never leave us or forsake us and we believe in and trust your word Lord. We know that you are with Terri and Lord we pray you would put a hedge of protection around her, a mighty band of angels to keep her safe. We ask that you would continue to allow Terri's weakness to confound those that are mighty in this world. We pray that you would direct those who have the power to help her to make wise decisions which will be for her benefit.Give them great wisdom from you Lord. We ask Father that the 'wisdom' of this world which thinks she (and others like her) should die would be put underfoot and crushed. Father we ask you to bless Terri and those who are helping her. Give Terri strength. Bless her family with strength, give them hope from your Word. We know that in due time you will expose all darkness and bring it to light...we ask that anything which has been done in 'darkness' to harm Terri would be brought to 'light' by you and any wrongdoing concerning her would be exposed to the world. We pray for your guidance in continuing to help and protect others like Terri or those who may become in the same situation. Bless this day, and bless your holy name. We ask it of you in the name above all names, the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen and amen!
868 posted on 11/07/2003 8:16:39 AM PST by tutstar
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To: pickyourpoison
Medicare will pay for a chair if you are at home but not if you reside in a nursing home. (at least that was the way it used to be)
869 posted on 11/07/2003 8:17:11 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: tutstar
latest poll results:

Yes 780 43%

No 1007 55%

The percentages are holding, but votes are still coming in on both sides

Terri is getting international attention! This was published in an Australian newspaper today:

Right to life, or death, divides nation
By Caroline Overington
New York
November 8, 2003

There is a video called Big Eyes doing the rounds in Florida and it is not easy to watch. The tape features a woman called Terri Schiavo, who has lived for 13 years in what doctors call a "persistent vegetative state".

Ms Schiavo can breathe on her own, but she cannot speak or feed herself. Her body is hopelessly crippled, and she has a tube in her stomach for fluid and nutrients, and another in her bladder, for waste.

Ms Schiavo's husband, Michael, says her quality of life is awful and she should be allowed to die. Her parents say their daughter is aware of her surroundings, but trapped in a wrecked body. They shot the Big Eyes video, and they are showing it on the internet, to make their point.

The video shows Ms Schiavo looking irritated when a nurse sticks a swab in her mouth. She also seems able to follow the progress of a silver balloon, when it is waved in front of her face.

For years, Ms Schiavo's parents and her husband - who is her legal guardian - have battled over whether she should live or die. Mostly, it was a private battle, played out in their homes, or in Florida's lower courts. But, in recent weeks, the battle over Ms Schiavo's life has become very public.

Florida's Governor, Jeb Bush, and his brother, US President George Bush, have become involved, and some are saying the case could affect the outcome of next year's presidential election.

The seeds of the drama were sown in 1982, when Terri met Michael Schiavo two years after leaving high school. He was her first boyfriend and they were married in 1984.

Six years later, Ms Schiavo became brain damaged. It is not clear how this happened. Michael Schiavo says he heard a thud about 4am one night, woke and found his young wife on the floor. She had suffered a heart attack. Some doctors think it might have been because she had a potassium deficiency, which was perhaps caused by bulimia.

He also says that she once told him that she would never want to be kept alive like a vegetable.

In any case, the lack of oxygen to Ms Schiavo's brain left her a vegetable and, for the first few years after the incident, she lived in a nursing home, while her husband lived with her parents, and all of them shared caring for her.

The trouble started in 1997, when Michael Schiavo won a medical malpractice suit against his wife's doctor, for failing to diagnose her condition. He was granted $US1 million ($A1.4 million), of which $US300,000 was for the loss of companionship of his wife. The rest was to be used for her care.

Ms Schiavo's parents say that Michael Schiavo's attitude to his wife changed sharply after the case was settled. They contend that he was interested in keeping her alive only while there was a chance that she might be compensated for her injuries and, as soon as the case was settled, he wanted her dead, so he could claim her share of the money.

Mr Schiavo vigorously denies this. He agrees that his attitude to his wife's illness changed, but only after he came to the heart-breaking decision that she would never recover from her injuries. He also says that she once told him that she would never want to be kept alive like a vegetable and, in any case, that there is virtually nothing left of her settlement, since all but $US50,000 was spent on legal and medical bills.

The issue exploded into the public domain last month when a Florida court ordered that since Mr Schiavo is still Terri's husband - although he lives with another woman, with whom he has a child - and he is therefore her legal guardian, he has the right to remove her feeding tube, so that she starves to death.

The tube was duly removed and, for six days, Ms Schiavo was denied food and water. But her frantic parents refused to give up hope. They pleaded with right-wing Christian groups to take up their case. They campaigned on Christian radio, and held prayer vigils outside Terri's hospital. They started showing the video on the internet, and encouraged members of church groups to bombard Governor Bush with letters and emails, urging him to step in.

The campaign worked. On day seven of Ms Schiavo's starvation, Jeb Bush signed "Terri's Law", which enabled him to order that her feeding tube be re-inserted, just in time to save her life.

Now political commentators have entered the debate, with some saying Governor Bush abused his power by overruling the courts to side with Christian groups on a right-to-life issue. They wonder if he did so in order to encourage Florida's conservative Christians to vote for his brother at the next presidential election.

Governor Bush says he stepped in because "it is very hard for me to sit by idly and allow someone to starve to death. Life is precious and we need to have a high standard before we make these decisions."

George Bush commended the decision, saying: "I think my brother did the right thing."

The case has now gone back to the courts. A Florida judge last week appointed a University of South Florida professor, Jay Wolfson, one of the world's leading bio-ethicists, to investigate the case and then advise Governor Bush. Ms Schiavo's husband is also fighting to have Terri's Law declared unconstitutional.

This has angered Terri's parents, who wonder why he does not let them take custody of their daughter, so they can manage her care. But Michael has refused to give up his custody, saying that Terri never wanted to live the way she does.

"I'm going to follow that wish," Mr Schiavo told US talk show host Larry King during his only interview in two years. "It's the last thing I can do for Terri."

870 posted on 11/07/2003 8:18:14 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo
That was the one part I liked about LK's questions. (He asked if he could send a camera in).
871 posted on 11/07/2003 8:19:49 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: TigersEye
LOL, what were you smoking??
872 posted on 11/07/2003 8:23:51 AM PST by tutstar
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To: libravoter
A poster here has been in touch with the author of the letter by email and IIRC vouched for her being a real person i.e. not a troll/fake. I don't know if the letter writer has given the name of the 14-year-old's mother to the Schindlers or Pat Anderson yet or not.
873 posted on 11/07/2003 8:24:17 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo; All
"I'm going to follow that wish," Mr Schiavo told US talk show host Larry King during his only interview in two years. "It's the last thing I can do for Terri."]

I taped the show....and he said

"nothing's going to stop me"
874 posted on 11/07/2003 8:28:32 AM PST by tutstar
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To: CindyDawg
I thought his evasive answer to the lie detector question was telling, too :)

He also hedged noticable when Larry questioned him about the finding of bulemia - Michael did not want to come right out and say she was bulemic, instead, in classic spin-speak, he said that was the finding of the trial court. HMMMM. Same kind of answer he gives when asked about her "wish" to die.
875 posted on 11/07/2003 8:31:23 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: msmagoo; All
...a lot of these living wills have been hastily drawn up and in some cases, no doubt, they restrict rather than protect the rights as intended.

I'll post mine right here...If ever I'm diagnosed as being PVS, or in a coma, or in a coma-like state, or I cannot speak for myself, I want every machine possibly, including, and especially feeding tubes, or any type of mechanical device to keep me alive used!

876 posted on 11/07/2003 8:32:50 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: tutstar; Pegita
Thanks for the prayers for those who are not as fluent with the written word. I do believe they have had a very positive effect on Terri's spirit, and kept her alive during the six days she went without food and water.
877 posted on 11/07/2003 8:35:37 AM PST by msmagoo
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To: nicmarlo
Hey nic. Sorry I missed you. I'd go ahead and copy and paste it on this thread. I think there are enough people interested and since we are using the posts on this thread for reference. It can't be any longer than some posts I've seen that just go on forever.

I need coffee now. Care to join me?

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878 posted on 11/07/2003 8:39:53 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: tutstar
LOL, what were you smoking??

Sir (or Madame), I will have you know that I have not had anything better to smoke than American Spirit 100% tobacco in over 19 months!

If you have a moment could you reach over and uplug this treadmill? Thank you!

879 posted on 11/07/2003 8:42:39 AM PST by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope." - Terri Schiavo)
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To: msmagoo
+ To God be the Glory ...
880 posted on 11/07/2003 8:42:56 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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