Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 5 -7, 2003

Various | November 5, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT (Thread 5 - November 5-7) (Link back to Thread 4 - Nov. 3-4)

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Contained in Thread 4:

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Resource links to search business and criminal records in Florida, info on special guardian ad litum meeting (attempt to change qualifications?), Michael Schiavo parody, link to referral letter for Dr. Hammersfahr to the Nobel committee, transcript to Abrams Report closing commments - Nov.3, e-mail address for Larry King Live, Florida statutes on guardianship and some damning statements against Michael.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

I know we're all getting tired, but we have to hang in there. This isn't just Terri's fight anymore. It is our fight too. To everyone who has worked tirelessly to gather information, write letters, make phone calls, spend time in prayer, be at the vigil supporting Terri's family and all the many other offerings you have given for this effort, thank you and may the Lord richly bless you.

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[Ohioan from Florida]

I believe Greer is the judge on this.

[Admin Moderator]

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[Theodore R.]

If Greer is the judge, what then can be done? If he sided with the Schindlers after all of this, that would be backing down for him and admitting that he had been wrong. George W. Greer will never admit he is wrong, not even in the presence of the Almighty! Remember, he chewed out Jeb Bush over a letter written in August -- did so in such condescending terms that we all for a while thought that the "Republican" Greer was actually a Democrat.

[Krodg]

Thanks for explaining how that works (I didn't even notice "More"..duh). I knew it had been there earlier so I thought it had been removed.

[Theodore R.]

Why would anyone think that George W. Greer would reverse his course of starvation/dehydration no matter what the evidence? The man is spiritually as well as physically blind!!!

[Chocolate Rose]

Judge George Greer has scheduled a hearing to dismiss a petition from Schiavo's parents. They want to remove Terri Schiavo's husband, Michael Schiavo, as her guardian.

The hearing is scheduled for 2:30 p.m. Terri Schiavo

http://www.baynews9.com/site/NewsSt...m?storyid=27257

[FR_addict]

"HOWARD DEAN WAS IN TALLAHASSEE YESTERDAY AND HE STATED "Gov. Jeb Bush and the Florida Legislature should be 'embarrassed' for stepping in to keep TERRI SCHIAVO ALIVE", Democratic president Candidate said Tuesday. "

I think we should make FoxNews programs aware of his comments.

Is it in the newspapers? This is the first I heard of it.

I guess Howard Dean believes that judges are the supreme rulers of this country. The lesgislature governs, the judges are suppose to interpret the law, not make law. The legislature had every right to clarify the meaning of a law they originally passed. Even Judge Greer agrees with us in his ruling.

"In his order denying the motion, Greer writes that the group's arguments are philosophical and perhaps should be directed to state lawmakers."

[Chocolate Rose]

Dean blasts governor over Schiavo case
Howard Dean says he is 'appalled' by Jeb Bush and the Legislature's moves in ordering a feeding tube reinserted into a brain-damaged woman.
BY PETER WALLSTEN
Miami Herald

TALLAHASSEE - Saying Florida Republicans should be ''embarrassed'' by their handling of a nationally watched right-to-die case, Democratic presidential front-runner Howard Dean accused Gov. Jeb Bush and the Legislature of interfering in a private matter when they ordered a feeding tube reinserted into the body of a brain-damaged woman.

Speaking just three blocks from the governor's office, Dean told a crowd that he was ''appalled'' by Bush and Republican lawmakers' move last month to overturn a court order and keep Terri Schiavo from dying after living for 13 years in a vegetative state.

''I'm tired of people in the Legislature thinking that they have an MD when what they really have is a BS,'' Dean, a physician and former Vermont governor, said to thunderous applause from about 200 lunching at the Capital Tiger Bay Club, a bipartisan group of Tallahassee movers and shakers.

Dean also lambasted Florida's Republican governor for his refusal to end the state's ban on gay adoptions. Earlier in the day, Bush unveiled a program aimed at finding homes for thousands of foster children -- but reaffirmed the ban on gay adoption while endorsing adoptions by single parents.

Bush's administration has defended the unique-in-the-nation ban in court, arguing that children are best raised by a man and a woman.

Said Dean, who legalized civil unions for gays in Vermont: ``In all the other states in the country gay people are allowed to adopt. It hasn't harmed children, and children are better off with loving parents no matter what their sexual orientation is.''

WHAT'S TO COME

Dean's comments foreshadow a tension that will play out in the 2004 election as both parties seek to mobilize their core voters to avoid a repeat of 2000, when the race ended in a statistical tie in Florida.

The Schiavo case and gay adoption have emerged as emotional wedge issues for both parties.

Republicans are seeking to engage millions of religious conservatives who failed to turn out in 2000.

Democrats want to mobilize gays, lesbians and other social liberals.

In the Schiavo case, her feeding tube was reinserted Oct. 21 after Bush signed a law written specifically for that one instance.

Democrats argue that the law violated the constitutional separation of powers.

Bush and other Republicans, siding with Schiavo's parents, said they got involved in the case because Schiavo could recover.

Bush spokeswoman Alia Faraj called Dean's remarks on Schiavo ''shameful,'' accusing him of being ``flip about a serious issue that involves protecting the rights of the disabled and, most importantly, the right to life, which is a fundamental right in the Florida Constitution.''

For Democratic presidential candidates, the issue has not been clear cut.

Dean's opposition contrasted sharply with recent comments by one of his rivals for the Democratic nomination, Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman, who told The Associated Press two weeks ago that he supported the Republican governor's actions.

''I feel very strongly that we ought to honor life and we ought not to create a system where people are being deprived of nutrition or hydration in a way that ends their lives,'' said Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew. His more conservative stands on a variety of issues have hurt him with liberal primary voters.

Dean visited the capital on his first Florida campaign stop since U.S. Sen. Bob Graham dropped his own bid for the White House, opening Florida up for fundraising and vote-gathering by other candidates.

`STRAW POLL'

Florida's primary is set for March 9, probably too late for the state's Democratic voters to help choose the nominee.

But a proposed ''straw poll'' at the state party's December convention gauging activists' opinions on the presidential field has prompted several candidates to visit.

Acknowledging that he might be pandering to the hometown crowd in Tallahassee, where Graham announced Monday that he would not seek a fourth term to the U.S. Senate, Dean said the state's senior senator was an instant contender to be his running mate if he's the nominee.

''I told Bob Graham the day he made his decision to drop out [of the presidential race] that he was on the short list,'' Dean said.

By venturing into Florida, Dean stepped onto the home turf of Bush, who recently ridiculed Dean for governing a state ''half the size of Miami-Dade County'' and labeling him a candidate for ``hot, angry people that aren't rational.''

Tuesday marked Dean's first visit to the South since the weekend, when his opponents began criticizing him for telling the Des Moines Register that he wants ``to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks.''

Dean said he was referring to his strategy of helping Democrats retake the GOP-leaning South.

Several of his rivals said the remark was racially polarizing.

They also accused Dean of reinforcing stereotypes about whites in the South.

INSURANCE

''We want people who drive pickup trucks in the South to vote Democratic because their kids don't have health insurance either,'' Dean said Tuesday. ``We have got to stop having our elections in the South based on race, guns, God and gays and start having them on jobs and health insurance and foreign policy.''

Poking fun at the Confederate flag flap, members of the Tallahassee Tiger Bay Club gave Dean several parting gifts to remind him of the South: two country music CDs, a photo of NASCAR star Dale Earnhardt Jr. and a Florida State Seminoles cap.

[Chocolate Rose]

http://www.twincities.com/mld/tallahassee/news/politics/7188872.htm
Dean blasts governor over Schiavo case

[Theodore R.]

So, even the hearing is labeled as "to dismiss" a petition to change the guardianship. Right after the FL law was signed, many of us thought that this meant that Schiavo would be removed as guardian. Now we know that this won't happen --- probably ever in CORRUPT FL. I assume the Schindler's lawyers can appeal this denial. I don't know how much longer the Schindlers can continue with this protracted legal challenge -- they must really be broke.

[Theodore R.]

A federal judge in Lincoln, NE, just delayed implementation of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. Too bad the law did not have a provision removing it from consideration by a judge.

[Orlando]

Hi, I have a great idea that will help shine the light
back on this case, and destroy the dark side attempt to
make this a Pro-Life vs. Pro-Choice issue, they are playing
us into a trap. It's a Republican vs. Democrat issue,.etc.etc..

This case is about attempted murder and domestic violence
and the victim right to live,etc..I know and talked with alot of hard-core democrats/minority-feminists/Indep..
These agree with me on these issues.....It's a murder still in progress....

We need to break-out again, and get on the radio air waves.

Geeorge Noory, of Coast to Coast AM told Bobby S. that the door is OPEN ANYTIME for YOU....


Terri Mother and Father should GO ON THE RADIO with George
Noory for 2-3 hours...interview, tell the FULL story, every
thing, everything...,and take calls from the listeners
please....This show is number #1..at night, and Canada
and world-wide...please...stop waiting for Larry King
ONLY......Need to counter-attack back..with the truth,
and power, here's the contact infor....



http://www.coasttocoastam.com/info/contactus.html



***George Noory ****, and Artbell ***
please email them....I did already, the MORE the better.
thank you..vet out

[Theodore R.]

This NE judge sounds like he could be a protege of George W. Greer, though I presume that the two have never met.

[cyn]

"it was ruled that she would have to indicate her wishes ... "

DOH! How could I have forgotten?

Terri and I were out shopping one day, she saw someone in a wheelchair with a feeding tube, and she told me if she ever ended up with a serious injury, that she would want to get a divorce or annulment from her husband. She said the same thing to some of her other friends.

Can't believe I almost forgot about that. Good thing I'm remembering it now. So -- that's it then, Judge Greer?

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Remembering Terri & family in prayer for their time in court today -- may it please be so simple, and Terri go home with her real family already.

[cyn]

bttt -- will read it more closely when I get back. Take care -- thanks for all your work and care for Terri.

[cyn]

"The hearing is scheduled for 2:30 p.m."

http://www.baynews9.com/site/NewsStory.cfm?storyid=27257 -- here's the link that worked for me

thanks for posting that -- I didn't think this was a case for him to DISMISS the motion of the Schindlers, but to HEAR the case. There is a world of difference! YIKES!

Fancy footwork there: "some doctors say she is in PVS..."

[FR_addict]

The woman's name is Kate Adamson.

[Republic]

Sweet hard working, caring hearted, determined warrior for Terri and her family! GOD BLESS YOU!!!

Just read the petition for guardianship running on another thread that is happening today---any word on this? Expect you are already at the vigil.....I am late to learn of this, but have prayed over this and anxious to hear what has happened.

[Orlando]

Alot of Cops,federal agents,lawyers,doctors,RNs,EMTs,
yes even some elceted-officals listen to the show...

The more we shine the LIGHT the better for us all.

We can ask george also, that all of the 10++ million
listeners pray/send the light of healing to Terri...

I do listen to coast to coast for over ten years, and
I now miracles do happen...

So, what do you think ?, please pass this idea to the front lines, and inform Terri Father and Mother to please
consider it...2-3 hours + with George Noory...

[sweetliberty]

Attention Admin moderator: this post is for amusement and educational purposes only and should not be construed as an abuse report on any specific individual.

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TROLL ALERT: Most of you by now have realized that the Terri threads have been crawling with trolls. As a result, some threads with good information have gotten pulled and others have gone off on tangents. I offer this post for both amusement and edification. I have spotted 3 different kinds of trolls frequenting these threads. Perhaps the graphic representations will serve as a reminder and help keep them in perspective. And because not all trolls are created equal, they should be handled in different ways.

Type 1: Howler Trolls (Thanks drlevy88 for that moniker)

These are by far the easiest to spot. These are the ones that chum the threads with juvenile insults and inuendo in an active attempt to start a flame war. These are the playground bullies and instigators who simply have too little mental capacity to suitably occupy the excess time they seem to have on their hands. They like to throw feces for the sheer fun they have watching the reactions of those who get hit and nothing delights them more than being able to provoke otherwise intelligent posters into engaging in a p*ssing contest. The best way to deal with this type is to simply ignore them. They will quickly tire of the game if they get no "bites."

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Type 2: Stealth Trolls

These are wretched and misguided gollum-like creatures, repugnant and odious on the one hand and pathetic on the other. It is a mistake to underestimate this type. They can be clever and aggressive, but only when they think they have you on the defense. Going on the offense can reduce this type to a cowering blob, who will then seek to elicit pity and empathy. They are often not what they appear to be. They may be, on the one hand, those who are seeking to find answers themselves, while on the other, enjoying the sense of power they feel at being able to manipulate others. My advice would be not to engage them unless you can deal a blow that will send them running for cover. Depending on their persistence and level of disruption, it may or may not necessary to report them to the moderators.

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Type 3: Black Trolls

These may be the most difficult of all to spot. They may wrap themselves in all the right words to make themselves seem to be allies. They may appear to make cogent arguments. Satan himself comes as an angel of light. This type is pure evil and once discovered must be dispatched post haste and should be reported. This type should not be engaged furthur. He will not relent when he is outed by one poster....he will move on to seek more vulnerable prey. The damage can be cumulative. Argument with this type is futile. He is part of the problem.

All that said, there is still plenty of room for honest disagreement and we shouldn't be too quick to dismiss those that are simply ignorant of the facts of the case. I also think that the moderators probably get tired of "tattle tales" over every perceived slight and would prefer that we handle it ourselves to the extent that we can reasonably do so, and not be too quick on the abuse button. At the same time, it is important to remember that we have very high visibility and we have made a lot of noise and more than a few waves and there are those out there who are threatened by it, so it is important to be discerning. I made this post on this thread because it has been blessedly free of trolls, and I hope that it stays that way. Be careful out there friends of Terri....this is war.