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The Sierra Club-Clinton Legacy: Dead Firemen, Charred Forests, Dying Economy
Toogood Reports ^ | 11-02-03

Posted on 10/31/2003 6:37:12 AM PST by Brian S

I lived in the California Sierra foothills almost at the edge of the El Dorado National Forest from 1976 to 1999 and had a front row seat in the Great Debate over sustainable development, the Sierra Club´s environmental propaganda and the death of the economy in my county as its economic base, logging and related businesses, were slowly strangled to death during the eight years of the Clinton Administration.

As I watched the massive fires now raging in Southern California, that have so far killed 20 people, burned about a half-million acres and hundreds of homes, I thought about articles I have written in years gone by that warned this would happen.

Eight years ago, in the April 1995 issue of the Reagan Monitor newsletter, which I edited, I reported the warnings of a recently retired U.S. Forest Service Ranger who had lived and worked in the forests of Northern California for more than 60 years.

In that issue of the Reagan Monitor newsletter, I sounded the alarm about the nonsense the Sierra Club was spouting about the California Spotted Owl which, the club claims, can only "nest in trunk cavities, dead tree tops or broad snags (dead trees)" and could survive only "old-growth forests where trees are at least 200 years old."

According to the Sierra club, the logging in El Dorado County was killing the "old growth" forests and needed to be shut down to save the Spotted Owl. The Sierra Club website states, with great pride in its accomplishment, "In 1993, the U.S. Forest Service put into place the Northwest Forest Plan, the culmination of a series of lawsuits challenging the aggressive logging that was stripping the Pacific Northwest of its old-growth forests. The plan reduced the rate of logging on 13 national forests in the western parts of Washington, Oregon, and California by about 85 percent."

I reported in my article entitled "Owls, Mice and Bulldozers" that by 1994 the ten million acres of National Forests in the Sierras of California the 2.18 billion board feed of lumber logged in 1988 had dropped to only 360 million board feet. Since 1994 that has dropped to such an extent that, in effect, logging in El Dorado County, and its associated businesses have closed down, bringing economic disaster to hundreds of thousands of people connected with logging and construction in the area.

Yet, has been known for many years by those actually involved in the forests that the Sierra Club policies, which became public policy in the 1990s under Bill Clinton, would cause exactly the kinds of fires we are now experiencing in Southern California. As recently as last year I reminded readers in an article:

"Actually, the spotted owl was never endangered. The spotted owl boondoggle was the result of an owl counting venture in 1972 when Eric Forsman, a city-bred graduate student at the Cooperative Wildlife Research United at Oregon State university, reported, after only a year of study, that Spotted Owl pairs were found only in areas of old growth forests slated for timber harvest. Yet, Spotted Owls in California are all over the place and have been found nesting in a K-Mart sign. They increased in the El Dorado National Forest in the early 1990s after a severe fire that burned a huge segment of the forest.

"…However, a widely ignored July 23, 1990, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service report warned: ‘Past fire protection practices in the forests have caused abnormal fuels conditions to develop´ and noted that the practice of ‘protecting snags, dead but standing trees which are favorite nesting spots for the Spotted Owl are obstacles to fire suppression´ and that ‘current practices are creating forest conditions that most likely will lead to large, high severity fires.´" This report was ignored.

In 1996 I attended a Congressional hearing held Stockton, California by Rep. John Doolittle of California and Rep. Helen Chenoweth of Idaho in which a representative from the U.S. Forest Service warned that, unless the "no logging" regulation was rescinded and an aggressive policy implemented of logging and clearing underbrush, it was not "if" the forests would burn with dangerous, high severity fires, but WHEN they will burn, because of the huge amount of fuel we have allowed to grow in them.

Two years earlier, in 1995, I quoted a man who had spent literally 65 years in forests and was very familiar with Spotted Owls,. He was born and grew up in Oregon, where his father was a logger and worked 40 years as a Ranger, most of it in El Dorado National Forest. Keith Butts had seen a lot of people and policies over the years that ran totally contrary to his daily experiences in the woods, which included the owls following his bulldozer to swoop down on small rodents he disturbed while working.

"Today," he told me, "everything in the woods can be used. Nothing needs to be burned. Portable chippers can be brought in to chip up the slash (i.e. branches and underbrush) for waferboard that is used for building. Keeping the underbrush under control would prevent the worst damage of wildfires and firestorms that destroy million of trees, millions of dollars worth of property and sometimes kill firefighters. We are now either burning on purpose or letting wildfires consume millions of acres of trees, yet the Black Forest in Germany has been preserved for hundreds of years by good management that picks up every fallen branch to prevent fires."

We have known for a long time how to preserve our forests. It´s now too late to preserve millions of acres of once healthy forests – because of political decisions made in Washington by people who don´t seem to know the difference between a pine forest and a petunia patch.

This is really not a complicated problem. Crowded trees, underbrush and water shortages cause trees to die and become diseased. Mother Nature´s method of solving the problem is a huge bonfire to clean up the mess and start all over with a clean slate. Human beings with a brain can use the wood in crowded stands of trees, now even the underbrush, and that keeps the remaining trees healthy and alive. Fire kills the trees, the animals, birds, and insects – including the Spotted Owls – and sometimes people.

What is happening in Southern California is the natural result of Sierra Club-Clinton policies and decisions by activist liberal judges that prevented proper care of the forests. The solution to the problem is in the voting booth.


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: clintonlegacy; environment; fire; fires; forest; forests; sierraclub; wildfires
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To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
21 posted on 10/31/2003 8:23:45 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: OldFriend
And your home page says it all! Should have looked before I bothered to reply to your first comment. Bye, bye!

How characteristically shallow of you. Have you read who has endoresed my work?

22 posted on 10/31/2003 8:29:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Libertina
You mean disagreeing with one's position is now considered uncivil?????????????

As I said, who should I believe, my lying ears or Okie's defense of the sainted Senator Feinstein?

When a politician refuses to do the right thing because one of her avowed enemies might benefit I have NO respect for that position whatsoever. After all, ONLY a few thousand homes have burned, and ONLY 20 people have died. Can't let the loggers log now can we.

23 posted on 10/31/2003 8:38:55 AM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: Brian S
Author of the article, is Mary Mostert.
24 posted on 10/31/2003 8:40:09 AM PST by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: OldFriend
So her statement that she was most concerned that the logging companies might make a profit off the legislation was a figment of my imagination.

"There is a tremendous lesson in these fires. That the land has to be managed," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., a leading co-sponsor of the compromise forest bill. The Senate approved it by a vote of 80-14.

The Healthy Forests Iniative would not have passed with the margin it did without Feinstein's support. Feinstein has an established record supporting logging as a way to improve forest health. As much as I find her despicable, you are way out of line.

25 posted on 10/31/2003 8:45:49 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: OldFriend
As I said, who should I believe, my lying ears or Okie's defense of the sainted Senator Feinstein?

Sainted? Excuse me, but here is what I wrote:

Inasmuch as I detest the treasonous corruption represented by Diane Feinstein, this is a false piece of character assasination when it comes to her forest policy.

I called her corrupt and treasonous. She is certainly both. She has supported forest thinning and bears no resemblance to Boxer on this issue.

26 posted on 10/31/2003 8:48:37 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: old school
The factor of human habitation must be considered in this
equation. If insurance companies would raise their rates
in high risk areas, this could control construction in these
areas.
27 posted on 10/31/2003 9:02:03 AM PST by upcountryhorseman
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To: ArmstedFragg
This idea is all over FR right now, that somehow the Sierra Club and other environmentalists are somehow responsible for this disaster. The truth is that there's never been a fight to save the forests of the San Bernardinos because the timber industry hasn't been interested. Logging up there peaked before WW1 and the last commercial logging operation shut down in the 1950s, long before the SIerra Club began making noise. There were just lots of easier places to log up north. And chaparral has so little commercial value that it's a money-losing proposition to clear it.
28 posted on 10/31/2003 9:08:51 AM PST by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth
The Sierra Club opposes firebreaks, too.

I grew up out there, and in the 50's and 60's, there were firebreaks all over the mountains. Their primary purpose was not so much to stop fires, but to provide access for firefighting equipment.

29 posted on 10/31/2003 9:24:30 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: snopercod
There are still loads of fire roads all through the mountains. That's why the mountain biking is so good around here.
30 posted on 10/31/2003 9:45:30 AM PST by Heyworth
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To: Carry_Okie; OldFriend
I know both of you personally. What we have here is a misunderstanding, you're both on the same side.

Jan, Mark is a great guy and a real conservative conservationist.

Mark, Jan is a super gal who doesn't know you. Sometimes us anti-envirals are so warey of anything resembling a green that you may at times become a victim of mis-identification.

31 posted on 10/31/2003 9:55:36 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: OldFriend
Quincy Library Group is another NGO getting govnerment funding. Its the same old thing, instead of taking care of problems in a constitutional fashion, a soviet style council is formed so that a consensus, or a pre-determined outcome, can be reached. Often legitimate business people join these groups because if they don't they don't have a say in what their government is doing. I don't see how enacting law by NGO consensus group is considered a win in any way, unless you support government by soviet style council.

Read about the people running this group-- its sustainable this, consensus that, collaborative involvement-- Pravda could have edited this stuff. Anyone lurking or posting to freerepublic finds a wealth of documentation that shows sustainable developement, forestry or anything is the socialization of that resource.

I don't believe non-governmental organizations should have more influence than individual citizens on government policy, and I most certainly do not think they should get funding by the government for anything.
32 posted on 10/31/2003 12:32:18 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
For the longest time NJ's EPA was funded by the fines they collected. Ripe for abuse!!!!!And abuse they did!
33 posted on 10/31/2003 12:33:53 PM PST by OldFriend (DEMS INHABIT A PARALLEL UNIVERSE)
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To: First_Salute
Lawsuits were filed by environmental NGOs(nongovernmental organizations). Even though their name says nongovernmental, they act like our government and our politicians kowtow to them.
34 posted on 10/31/2003 12:34:32 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Heyworth
You have to admit it's an almost overwhelming temptation to whack those smug SC s.o.b's, though.

But I agree that this series of fires has little to do with environmentalists except to the extent that they've fought off efforts to pave over brush land.

If we could just find some commercial use for chaparral, I'm sure they'd intervene on a moment's notice.

35 posted on 10/31/2003 2:31:09 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: snopercod
in the 50's and 60's, there were firebreaks all over the mountains.

The particular location where the Cypress fire started is one of the few areas in the county without fire roads because the terrain is too rugged. It's in the San Diego riverbed, and directly north of it is a memorial for the firefighters killed in the Inaja fire somewhere in the late 50's. They had gone downslope on a fire that was working out of the riverbed, and it blew over them. There were no roads then, either.

Everybody in the wildland fire business is familiar with that story, and the universal response when the location was first transmitted was "Oh S**T"

That idiot chose to start his beacon fire in a location where it was impossible to get the gear to the fire. Murphy all the way.

36 posted on 10/31/2003 3:05:40 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Brian S
Bookmarked.
37 posted on 10/31/2003 8:26:57 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (I have a good recipe for Spotted Owl!)
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm for throwing out the baby with the bath water, when it comes to California, let Mexico have it. In ten years the corruption and lack of care for the citizens will have the residents begging the U.S. to liberate them.

I haven't been paying much attention to the fires so I can only make assumptions, maybe you correct them.

It seems to me that both private and public lands have been mismanaged and if the Californians had gotten off their lazy asses and taken care of God's creation these fires would not have been as catastrophic as they became. I don’t support the environmentalist and I believe that the States constituents have allowed them to take control out of ignorance and indifference.

I stopped buying materials from California and those that came through their ports long ago. I hate paying for their socialist policies that seem to me, only promote a lazy culture. The hell if I want America’s tax dollars used to allow them to continue those policies.

Why should we believe that if emergency funds are sent to help California recover from this catastrophe and their economic mismanagement, anything will change in the future?
38 posted on 11/01/2003 2:47:14 AM PST by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free, http://fearless-flyers.com)
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To: Fearless Flyers
I'm for throwing out the baby with the bath water, when it comes to California, let Mexico have it.

Throw that baby out and you'll have killed your sister and you'll be next. Although California politics are clearly complicit in this disaster, it's the Federal government that is responsible for most of the species listings that prevented anyone from touching those forests.

I stopped buying materials from California and those that came through their ports long ago. I hate paying for their socialist policies that seem to me, only promote a lazy culture.

I don't believe that this is even possible, and you've NEVER seen people work as hard as they do in Silicon Valley, much less the sweatshops of LA. It may seem laid back to you, but that's only the media picture.

This is a State that passed ballot measures against same sex marriage, against affirmative action, for English only instruction, and against benefits for illegal aliens, all by wide margins. Does that sound like a bunch of liberals to you? Did your state do that?

Why should we believe that if emergency funds are sent to help California recover from this catastrophe and their economic mismanagement, anything will change in the future?

There I am with you, and I don't think Arnold will make it any better.

39 posted on 11/01/2003 6:35:26 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Yes, it is possible for me to buy all my materials and not have them come from or through California. I'm a kite maker, my silk is imported to the East Coast my dies are made in Ohio and my cotton is/was milled in North Carolina. I have to constantly check on the later with all the mill closings we've been seeing.

I spent two weeks on the research when I desided to dump Darhma Trading Company as one stop vender, you can ask several people on this forum if they remember the experince. I now have several venders to choose from and I make them compete for my business. I save anywhere from 20 to 40% as compared to the prices Darhma offered and its a much more pleasant experience dealing with the venders.

As far as the other points are concerned, I knew you could correct my assumptions and that is why addressed you about the topic. Though I have trouble hiding the fact that I'm a natural born antagonist, I hope you know I always appreciate your knowledge and experience and have never had reason not to respect you.
40 posted on 11/01/2003 5:26:08 PM PST by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free, http://fearless-flyers.com)
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