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To: Fearless Flyers
I'm for throwing out the baby with the bath water, when it comes to California, let Mexico have it.

Throw that baby out and you'll have killed your sister and you'll be next. Although California politics are clearly complicit in this disaster, it's the Federal government that is responsible for most of the species listings that prevented anyone from touching those forests.

I stopped buying materials from California and those that came through their ports long ago. I hate paying for their socialist policies that seem to me, only promote a lazy culture.

I don't believe that this is even possible, and you've NEVER seen people work as hard as they do in Silicon Valley, much less the sweatshops of LA. It may seem laid back to you, but that's only the media picture.

This is a State that passed ballot measures against same sex marriage, against affirmative action, for English only instruction, and against benefits for illegal aliens, all by wide margins. Does that sound like a bunch of liberals to you? Did your state do that?

Why should we believe that if emergency funds are sent to help California recover from this catastrophe and their economic mismanagement, anything will change in the future?

There I am with you, and I don't think Arnold will make it any better.

39 posted on 11/01/2003 6:35:26 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Yes, it is possible for me to buy all my materials and not have them come from or through California. I'm a kite maker, my silk is imported to the East Coast my dies are made in Ohio and my cotton is/was milled in North Carolina. I have to constantly check on the later with all the mill closings we've been seeing.

I spent two weeks on the research when I desided to dump Darhma Trading Company as one stop vender, you can ask several people on this forum if they remember the experince. I now have several venders to choose from and I make them compete for my business. I save anywhere from 20 to 40% as compared to the prices Darhma offered and its a much more pleasant experience dealing with the venders.

As far as the other points are concerned, I knew you could correct my assumptions and that is why addressed you about the topic. Though I have trouble hiding the fact that I'm a natural born antagonist, I hope you know I always appreciate your knowledge and experience and have never had reason not to respect you.
40 posted on 11/01/2003 5:26:08 PM PST by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free, http://fearless-flyers.com)
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To: Carry_Okie
One more thing I wanted to ask what do you think about making any recovery funds sent to California in the form of a loan and not a hand out? Would this help relieve everyone elses tax burden?
41 posted on 11/01/2003 5:35:03 PM PST by Fearless Flyers (Proud to be of The Brave and the Free, http://fearless-flyers.com)
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