The Sierra Club-Clinton Legacy: Dead Firemen, Charred Forests, Dying Economy

Toogood Reports ^ | 11-02-03

[snopercod]

...start all over with a clean slate.

Not true. The weed seeds survive these fires and easily take over once their competition is destroyed.

[Carry_Okie]

The weed seeds survive these fires and easily take over once their competition is destroyed.

Yup, and it's often the fire crews and their equipment that bring in the seed and sow it all over the place.

[ken5050]

Channel surfing last night..I caught a bit of the Senate debate...the sight of Boxer "mourning" the dead firefighter was just too much to bear...

[OldFriend]

These policies are being adhered to with religious ferocity by Feinstein/Boxer.......

The deaths from the fires is on their heads to say nothing of the monetary loss to the great state of CA.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

by 1994 the ten million acres of National Forests in the Sierras of California the 2.18 billion board feed of lumber logged in 1988 had dropped to only 360 million board feet. Since 1994 that has dropped to such an extent that, in effect, logging in El Dorado County, and its associated businesses have closed down

If the 1988 rate of harvesting had continued, we would have extracted almost 2.2 x 15 = 33 billion board-feet of lumber; the above numbers suggest the actual number was about 1/3 of that.

How many tons of greenhouse gases are produced by the combustion of 22 billion board-feet of lumber?!!

This is an outrage!

[Carry_Okie]

These policies are being adhered to with religious ferocity by Feinstein/Boxer.......

Inasmuch as I detest the treasonous corruption represented by Diane Feinstein, this is a false piece of character assasination when it comes to her forest policy. Feinstein has actually taken a leadership role in forest thinning over the years as is exemplified by the Quincy Library Group legislation she co-authored with Republican Wally Herger. She's had her nose rubbed in it by the Sierra Club more than once and although she has to tread around them lightly and depends upon their support, she has no love for those thugs.

[Starboard]

Excellent article. Thanks for posting.

[old school]

Preserving the natural state of the forests, by preventing logging, is a two-edged sword. True, the forest won't be subjected to depredation by loggers; instead, they'll burn to the ground because the dead and dying trees have been allowed to remain on the forest floor, piling-up like tinder! They won't even put-out lightning fires, because that's the "natural order" of things! Been to Yosemite lately?

[Cicero]

From what I saw watching logging operations in the Northwest for three years back in the sixties, the lumber companies can't be trusted. They naturally prefer to maximize profits, which means clearcutting steep slopes and cutting down ancient, first-growth trees.

Proper sustainable forestry such as that mentioned as practiced in the Black Forest, is certainly possible. But it's not as profitable as going in, making a mess, and logging the most profitable trees.

What's needed is a SENSIBLE environmental policy and SENSIBLE regulations. What we have is left wing nut cases on one side and greedy timber companies on the other. There are solutions to these problems, but they won't be realized as long as lumber companies pay off politicians on one side and envirofreaks lobby for impossible regulations on the other.

The first order of business should be for conservatives to get back into environmental presevation and start working for sensible policies that are best for all concerned.

[OldFriend]

So her statement that she was most concerned that the logging companies might make a profit off the legislation was a figment of my imagination.

Who to believe, my lying ears or you!!!!

Good try....are you on Feinstein's staff?

[ArmstedFragg]

This would be an interesting argument regarding the Trinity fire or some of the other North Coast fires, but doesn't have much to do with the fires in San Diego County.

While there was some forest lost, the vast majority of what burned was brush, and the homes lost were all in areas where brush was nearby. While we do have some enviromental regulations that limit clearing coastal sage, the primary issue here is simply the improved efficiency of firefighters when it comes to putting out the smaller fires. Every time we do that, we leave more fuel to be burned in the bigger ones.

Last year, county officials were presented with a map showing the areas where there hadn't been a significant fire in twenty years or more. All the blases we had this year were in the "red" areas.

The spotted owl issue is pretty much a north end phenomenon, five hundred miles up the road on the other end of the state. It's been a huge economic tragedy up there.

[Carry_Okie]

Good try....are you on Feinstein's staff?

Thank you for proof of your ignorance.

[Libertarianize the GOP]

ping

[OldFriend]

An economic tragedy welcomed by the likes of the Sierra Club and it's cohorts in congress and senate.

[Marysecretary]

OOPS! NOW where are those spotted owls? Hmm. Deader than doornails I would say. These environuts should be taken up by helicopter and parachuted right into the fire, with a water gun. Let them fight their way out.

[OldFriend]

And your home page says it all! Should have looked before I bothered to reply to your first comment. Bye, bye!

[Libertina]

FYI Carry_Okie is a respected environmental expert. Might want to atleast try and have a civil conversation with him.

[farmfriend]

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[First_Salute]

 

"In 1993, the U.S. Forest Service put into place the Northwest Forest Plan, the culmination of a series of lawsuits challenging the aggressive logging that was stripping the Pacific Northwest of its old-growth forests. The plan reduced the rate of logging on 13 national forests in the western parts of Washington, Oregon, and California by about 85 percent."

Typical --- not a law passed by the people of the United States, but more government by judiciary.