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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003
Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/30/2003 10:27:17 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)
Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: sweetliberty
Judicial Watch, Disability Advocacy Group, the Catholic Attorney Association, Not Dead Yet, and other groups have filed friend of the Court briefs.

The Beltway is also keeping an eye on all. Every phone call, email and fax counted along the way.

PUBLIC AWARENESS took two months of everyone's undivided attention. Half a million people on computers are now Terri supporters. Many non-computer folks are Terri supporters too.

521 posted on 10/31/2003 9:12:16 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: floriduh voter
Short bio on Demers HERE.

Read and follow the directions below first.

Under the photo is a link: "Get Origional Uploaded Photo" click that.

Once the larger photo loads and it still isn't large enough to read, move your mouse totally off of the photo, then back on. A short "menu bar" will appear in the top left corner of the photo, and in the bottom right corner an "enlarge icon" will appear. When you click on the "enlarge icon" you may have to move the photo around using the scrooll bars on the right side, and possibly the bottom.

To exit that photo simply click your browsers "Back icon."

522 posted on 10/31/2003 9:12:37 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
RC, this isn't an emergency but on the weekends, it'd be nice if freepers who are in Pinellas County or other parts of Florida would drop by Hospice Woodside whose address can be found via a google search. Terri's family misses visiting with Terri's supporters. Come one and all. Say a prayer right there on the lawn. Do you know that there are new freepers who came here after they attended the Vigil? Wonder how that happened? lol
523 posted on 10/31/2003 9:19:14 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Graymatter
I like Wolfson Sheep's Clothing. That would make a NICE FAX OR EMAIL. (to whom I don't know yet).
524 posted on 10/31/2003 9:22:46 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: mommy23
When you teach someone who had a stroke or whatever to learn to swallow again, you do it slowly. Just testing someone is not the same as slowly introducing them to swallowing. I heard this at a live press conference last week at Hospice, the one where three doctors spoke, a nurse spoke, a speech therapist spoke and one of the nurse-witnesses spoke. They brought Terri's brain scans to that press conference which were quite different than the one scan held up by Felos on Larry King Live the other night.
525 posted on 10/31/2003 9:26:18 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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Heavenly Father, we return to give You thanks that You continue to use these dear people as they look deeper into the affairs of men. Bring to light, I pray, any and all misdeeds that are directed to seeking to end the life of this mother's child. So little is known right now, Lord, but the desire to know more is great, for it seems all the forces of hell have conspired to come up against Terri at every turn. Haughty men in high places .. lacking in moral integrity .. clothed in an air of invincibility .. refusing to listen to the pleas of the people .. these are the ones who hold sway over the rule of law for Terri.

Heavenly Father, how lacking they are in understanding, for You instituted the courts of justice for the people .."He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God." Micah 6:8

Yet again, Lord, we plead for the hearing before that righteous Judge, the one who will grant relief and release Terri from the pit of hell to which she is now consigned. Thank You that her dear family daily has the joy of being with her, to speak with her and to cheer her and to whisper words of encouragement. Thank You for opening the prison doors that mother and father and sister and brother may enter in. Thank You for the smile she shows in the presence of her mom. These are what gladdens the hearts of her family .. yet there are things that are fiercely troubling as well.

Heavenly Father, I pray that You would remove from Terri both guardians, her husband and the one now appointed, for clearly they have spoken in a biased manner. Spur us on to find out why a man against Terri's Law is the one to represent her interests .. bring to light, I pray, the tangled web that has been woven around Terri. May this play out on the world stage, for we must know how corrupt our judicial system before we can apply the remedy. Give eyesight to the people to see the extent of evil and cause them to take action.

Be for Terri this night peaceful dreams and an excitement to awakening to a new day. May her caregivers be extensions of Your love .. use them, too, Father, to hold back the evil that awaits her. We praise and bless Your holy name, for though man plans, it is You, Father, who decides.

Our Father, which art in Heaven, hallowed be Thy name ... Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us debts as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil .. For thine is the Kingdom and the Power and the Glory, forever, Amen ..

526 posted on 10/31/2003 9:26:26 PM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
If you're a Judge in Pinellas County and it's about Terri, "Just say no." Terri has a very good attorney.
527 posted on 10/31/2003 9:27:47 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: floriduh voter
Schiavo either implied in the Monday night interview or I interpreted (thinking the worst-case scenario) that he "had to" starve and dehydrate the parents too!!! Nobody seems to have picked up on that point.
528 posted on 10/31/2003 9:28:30 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: floriduh voter
Thank you for being there. And for letting the Schindlers know they are in our prayers. I can't imagine what a nightmare this is for them.
529 posted on 10/31/2003 9:30:53 PM PST by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: cyn
Jerger being a doctor is news to me. Will your head explode if I tell you that he's got something to do with St. Pete College too & possibly the Hospice Board? We've been down that road before.
530 posted on 10/31/2003 9:30:59 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: Theodore R.
the trnascrit says he did starve them.
531 posted on 10/31/2003 9:34:14 PM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: sweetliberty
We really don't go up to the family and ask them stuff. I just pat them on the back and ask them if there's anything I can do. They're grateful that so many people are so dedicated to Terri.
532 posted on 10/31/2003 9:35:47 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: floriduh voter
I was very suspicious of the brain scan Felos waved around on LKL the other night. How do we KNOW it was hers? We don't.
533 posted on 10/31/2003 9:37:23 PM PST by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Republic; phenn; Drk4The1
See 453 or so.
534 posted on 10/31/2003 9:37:29 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: All
I found these at www.pbs.org

Comments? My first one is that, wow, I never knew they swore an oath to pagan gods! Kinda freaks me out as a Christian.

The Hippocratic Oath (see ancient and modern versions) is one of the oldest binding documents in history. Written in antiquity, its principles are held sacred by doctors to this day: treat the sick to the best of one's ability, preserve patient privacy, teach the secrets of medicine to the next generation, and so on. "The Oath of Hippocrates," holds the American Medical Association's Code of Medical Ethics (1996 edition), "has remained in Western civilization as an expression of ideal conduct for the physician." Today, most graduating medical-school students swear to some form of the oath, usually a modernized version. Indeed, oath-taking in recent decades has risen to near uniformity, with just 24 percent of U.S. medical schools administering the oath in 1928 to nearly 100 percent

Hippocratic Oath -- Classical Version

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfil according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfil this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

Hippocratic Oath -- Modern Version

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

535 posted on 10/31/2003 9:37:41 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Republic
What if a Jerger (speculation) insures mobile homes and maybe there's a foreclosure clause in fine print. Are there any foreclosures i.e. Jerger v. John Q. Public, foreclosure Pinellas County?

He might be foreclosing and then euthanizing. Who knows?

536 posted on 10/31/2003 9:40:33 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: pickyourpoison
I think it was Demers today. The only JUDGE I TRUST IS JUDGE BAIRD. He was on this last week and didn't hurt Terri.
537 posted on 10/31/2003 9:41:45 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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To: JustPiper
How is this good news? It sounds like a Pinellas Co. "fix" is in place to kill poor Terri yet.
538 posted on 10/31/2003 9:42:59 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty
Seeing all the people fighting for Terri restored my faith in Americans.

Yes, but. Now comes the Fox News Poll telling us that people really seem to dislike Terri, consider her a "useless vegetable," and WANT HER DEAD!!! This poll will not be lost on FL officials, I fear.
539 posted on 10/31/2003 9:44:46 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty; PhiKapMom; MeeknMing; Ragtime Cowgirl; windchime; Joe Brower; davidosborne; ...
I did my own OPERATION INFORM THE RELATIVES yesterday. My aunt in South Dakota thought Terri was in a coma when I spoke to her LONG DISTANCE. I painted a clear picture for my aunt of Terri's real condition and that they're starving-dehydrating people every day, even people who say they're hungry!

What's so bad is that if an elderly person signs advanced directives, they might not be able to see or understand what they are signing. Simply being of sound mind does not mean that any one of us understands legalese. Little Old Ladies do not usually question authority i.e. their attorney or doctors. They weren't raised that way.

Suffice it to say, that my aunt was catching a flight to Long Beach, CA. I asked her to tell everyone in Long Beach and upon returning home that TERRI IS NOT IN A COMA. SHE IS DISABLED. IT IS MURDER.

Freepers, you can do OPERATION INFORM THE RELATIVES from your computer or telephone.

540 posted on 10/31/2003 9:48:23 PM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org Visit a Local Site)
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