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Joseph Farah Questions "Bush and Abortion"
WND.com ^ | 10-30-03 | Farah, Joseph

Posted on 10/30/2003 5:46:38 AM PST by Theodore R.

Bush and abortion

Posted: October 30, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

President Bush says the United States is not ready for a total abortion ban.

"I don't think the culture has changed to the extent that the American people or the Congress would totally ban abortions," he explained.

What Bush really means is the political culture in Washington hasn't changed.

Real leadership means doing what's right even at the risk of political rejection. That's not Bush. That's not the U.S. Congress. In fact, there's precious little real leadership like that anywhere in the United States today.

When Bush says the culture isn't ready to ban abortions, he's making excuses for himself.

The culture never was ready to eliminate all laws restricting abortion, but that didn't stop the Supreme Court from forcing that cultural and social change down the throats of an unwilling public.

Slowly but surely the culture has been pushed by the courts, by the media, by academia and by other cultural institutions to accept abortion on demand. Even so, 30 years after Roe v. Wade, the nation is basically still split evenly on the issue.

But morality is not subject to polls. Morality is not dictated by elections. Right and wrong are eternal, immutable truths.

That's why it is impossible that there ever was a constitutional right to an abortion in this country.

No matter what the U.S. Supreme Court decided in Roe v. Wade in 1973 or in subsequent rulings, abortion is illegal and unconstitutional, and I will prove it to you in this column.

To understand why, you must begin by doing something few Americans bother with anymore – reading the preamble to the U.S. Constitution.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America," it says.

Important words all. But I want you to focus right now on those to whom this document applies. Who are the subjects and beneficiaries of the Constitution, as stated clearly in the preamble?

The answer? "… to ourselves and our posterity. …"

The word "ourselves" in this context refers to those men who wrote it – and to their generation of Americans.

"Posterity," which literally means "descendants" or all succeeding generations, refers, in this context, to all those Americans yet unborn.

Is your great, great, great, great granddaughter your posterity? Absolutely. Is she born yet? Absolutely not. Does the fact that she is not yet born make her any less your posterity? No.

Now, specifically what rights are ascribed by the Constitution to ourselves and our posterity?

"Amendment V: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

Clearly, the Fifth Amendment establishes that our posterity – those yet unborn – shall not be deprived of life without due process. Bingo!

This same principle was contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."

Life is an unalienable right, which means man can't take it away through laws or through Supreme Court decisions. And just so there is no confusion about this being a limitation only on the federal government, check out the 14th Amendment:

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Tell me, where is due process for those unborn children sentenced to death while still in the womb?

Some abortion advocates have tried to suggest that Roe v. Wade – an arbitrary and capricious attempt by the Supreme Court to exceed its constitutional limitations and legislate – is itself the due process for unborn babies.

Once again, however, the Constitution trumps that poor excuse for an argument.

"Amendment VI: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

Roe v. Wade is, thus, a sham – a house of cards. It was an artificial attempt to make abortion a right by citing a "right of privacy" that is itself nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Roe v. Wade created rights where none existed and abrogated those that were enshrined as unalienable.

I rest my case.

But I will not rest entirely until this nation is awakened to abortion as both a national tragedy as well as a constitutional threat to all of our God-given rights – as well as an endangerment to the lives and liberties of our posterity.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; amendment14; amendmentv; amendmentvi; bush; catholiclist; constitution; culture; josephfarah; posterity; preamble; roevwade
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1 posted on 10/30/2003 5:46:38 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
We can all agree with most everything in this article, except for the attack on Bush.

There is only so much that can be done at one time. Look how long it took for the PBA to get passed.

Even Kennedy and Hitlery are willing to take the incremental approach to socialized medicine.

Why aren't "conservatives" willing to do the same on abortion?
2 posted on 10/30/2003 6:03:03 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Why aren't "conservatives" willing to do the same on abortion?

Good question. You can substitute a number of issues for abortion in your question and it would still be a good question.

Now, would you like an honest answer to it?


3 posted on 10/30/2003 6:10:55 AM PST by rdb3 (We're all gonna go, but I hate to go fast. Then again, it won't be fun to stick around and go last.)
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To: Theodore R.
Bush is the leader of the entire country, whether they like it or not. He is in the fight of his life to get reelected and probably to keep the republican party from being marginalized. That is the real world.
4 posted on 10/30/2003 6:22:24 AM PST by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Conservatives aren't even willing to publicly question liberal positions on abortion, they aren't about to challenge them. How many times have you heard a liberal "leader" proclaim the belief that abortions be safe, legal and rare? Did you ever wonder why the necessity for rarity?

If the liberal position, that abortions do no harm to any living person, was believed by it's holder, why the need for rarity? If a fetus is simply a undifferentiated mass of cells, how is it different from a polyp, or cyst or tumor? In fact, with that frame of reference, an abortion is nothing more than an elective medical procedure. We don't wish for fewer, mole removals, fewer tooth extractions or even fewer face lifts.

The answer, of course, is that liberals know most folks believe that a fetus is a person, and if such a callous attitude as I describe above was uttered, the liberal extremity would be unmasked. But conservatives won't take to the fight, because it really isn't worth the battle, even incrementally.

5 posted on 10/30/2003 6:27:16 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Sgt_Schultze
But conservatives won't take to the fight, because it really isn't worth the battle, even incrementally.

Yes, conservatives have been led to believe that they lose elections (Dole,Lungren,McCollum in FL) because "pro-choice" people simply overwhelm them. The conservatives do not often philosophically make the case against abortion. Many feel that the issue is "lose-lose" for them.
6 posted on 10/30/2003 6:32:53 AM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Sadly, Joe's argument breaks down at the point where he quotes the term 'person'. The specious fiat SCOTUS of 1973 disenfranchised the alive unborn, then laid claim to the notion that unless the high court conveys personhood upon the preborn they cannot enjoy the protections of the Constitution. I've had that spittled out at me numerous times when discussing the fiat nature of the Roe and Doe decisions. ... an unborn child, though alive and sensing her environment, is not a 'person born in'. It's kind of like a court's 'finding of facts' ... the truth is what the court says it is, regardless of reality or morality.
7 posted on 10/30/2003 6:39:14 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Theodore R.
Farah needs to reposition his head in acknowledgement of the fact that the detection of prostate and colon cancer is best left to qualified medical professionals.
8 posted on 10/30/2003 6:39:16 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Theodore R.
"In fact, there's precious little real leadership anywhere in the United States today."

Sums it up in one sentence.

SSDD
9 posted on 10/30/2003 6:42:08 AM PST by WhiteGuy (Constitutionally limited Government now!)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
There is only so much that can be done at one time.

Of course---but why did Bush go out of his way to dismiss the possibility of doing more than banning partial-birth abortion?

10 posted on 10/30/2003 6:46:27 AM PST by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
But where do you see Hillary or Ted Kennedy calling for socialized medicine?

You don't. You only see them talking about the next baby step.

And if conservatives learned the same lesson, we would be farther ahead right now.
11 posted on 10/30/2003 6:46:38 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
And if conservatives learned the same lesson, we would be farther ahead right now.

Politically speaking, conservatives are just plum dumb. I'm talking about the officials and the grassroots. They're stupid, and they more often than not fail to put their money where their mouths are.


12 posted on 10/30/2003 6:59:21 AM PST by rdb3 (We're all gonna go, but I hate to go fast. Then again, it won't be fun to stick around and go last.)
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
They are calling for socialized medicine. Most liberals recognize a "right" to medical care. Imputed in that position is a result in unified availability. The left simply realizes that the only way to get there is incrementally.
13 posted on 10/30/2003 7:00:35 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Sgt_Schultze
They are not calling for socialized medicine. They are only talking about the next "small" step... government mandated healthcare benefits for all employees, etc.

Hillary, even at the height of her popularity, never called for an outright socialist medical system.

Yes, they want it. But they know enough to keep their mouths shut as to what their end game is.

Conservatives on the other hand, constantly talk about the ultimate objective [prolifers are guilty, Newt was guilty, etc.] and all they do is provide fodder for the enemy and energize voters from the other side.
14 posted on 10/30/2003 7:10:58 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Conservatives on the other hand, constantly talk about the ultimate objective [prolifers are guilty, Newt was guilty, etc.] and all they do is provide fodder for the enemy and energize voters from the other side.

Which conservatives would these be? Not the ones who are actually in power, and that is indeed why they fail conservatism.

The conservative politicians who were most successful at advancing the cause - I'm particularly thinking of Goldwater and Reagan - most certainly did not talk around the subject. They weren't afraid of criticism, and so they were able to stare it down. The nice guys won't get anywhere.

15 posted on 10/30/2003 8:09:55 AM PST by inquest ("Where else do gun owners have to go?" - Lee Atwater)
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To: inquest
I was thinking in particular of the conservatives who write the planks for the GOP.

Every election cycle, conservatives are forced to answer why they support abortion in the case of rape and incest.

Liberals are much smarter than conservatives. They would never have a plank in their platform calling for socialized medicine, gay marriage or higher taxes.

They simply move America in that direction each year step by step.
16 posted on 10/30/2003 9:26:01 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Theodore R.
"Joseph Farah Questions?" [chuckle]
17 posted on 10/30/2003 9:28:19 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Theodore R.
[ "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ]

I see.....
^snide^ FIRST deport the creator and then attack them pesky inalinable thingys.... ^/snide^
Really, quite simple Watson...-S. Holmes..

18 posted on 10/30/2003 9:36:24 AM PST by hosepipe
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To: Theodore R.
President Bush says the United States is not ready for a total abortion ban.

I figure God is ready for America to enact a total ban on abortion...regardless of how Rove and his herd of RINOs feel about it...

19 posted on 10/30/2003 12:49:45 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Everybody; Theodore R.
No matter what the U.S. Supreme Court decided in Roe v. Wade in 1973 or in subsequent rulings, abortion is illegal and unconstitutional, and I will prove it to you in this column.

Joe, you only prove yourself wrong, by not addressing who is a person.

"Amendment V: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury,

A fiat prohibitional law decreeing early term abortion to be murder would violate a womans right to a grand jury indictment.

nor shall any person ------------- be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; ----- ."

Again, it is the pregnant woman, a legal person, whos rights would be violated, not those of an undeveloped child, -- not yet a viable person.

Clearly, the Fifth Amendment establishes that our posterity – those yet unborn – shall not be deprived of life without due process. Bingo!

Not so, it ~is~ clear that those unborn cannot be persons until viability. Till they are capable of being born.

The 14th Amendment:
"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

"All persons born" ----------- "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"

Pregant women shall not be deprived of life or liberty.
Thus, - Joseph Farah proves nothing.

20 posted on 10/30/2003 1:55:55 PM PST by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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