[11th Earl of Mar]

But where do you see Hillary or Ted Kennedy calling for socialized medicine?

You don't. You only see them talking about the next baby step.

And if conservatives learned the same lesson, we would be farther ahead right now.

[rdb3]

And if conservatives learned the same lesson, we would be farther ahead right now.

Politically speaking, conservatives are just plum dumb. I'm talking about the officials and the grassroots. They're stupid, and they more often than not fail to put their money where their mouths are.

[Sgt_Schultze]

They are calling for socialized medicine. Most liberals recognize a "right" to medical care. Imputed in that position is a result in unified availability. The left simply realizes that the only way to get there is incrementally.