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War shuts borders, and this is war
New York Daily News ^ | October 27, 2003 | Stanley Crouch

Posted on 10/27/2003 2:15:02 AM PST by sarcasm

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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The short answer is, anyone who will not sign a loyalty oath.

Loyality oath? To who?

I spit on America's domestic enemies' "rights." Abolish their "rights." Abolish what we are "accustomed" to in our universities, mainstream media, foundations, Islamists groups, and more -- all enemies of our heritage and culture. They have no rights under our Constitution.

Speaking of the Constitution, I don't recall anything in there about loyality oaths.
21 posted on 10/28/2003 8:41:38 PM PST by Valin (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject)
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To: Protagoras
Re: "I would fight you to the death before any foreign enemy."

Yes, that's how I see the future. Nothing personal.

Many Americans will not give up what they believe is best for America's safety: submission to international interests. Other Americans are bound by duty to resist entrusting our inalienable rights to international police and courts.

I don't know your views on that but in my view protecting inalienable rights is worth the effort.

The hard left makes no secret of their intentions. The more moderate left talks about the "Third Way" and "the new social contract" for the world's peoples. No thanks.

22 posted on 10/29/2003 7:31:35 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I don't know your views on that but in my view protecting inalienable rights is worth the effort.

You are right, unfortunately for you, your warped view of putting people into concentration camps is at cross purposes to defending inalienable rights. All people have rights, not just wackos like you.

23 posted on 10/29/2003 7:50:32 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I don't know your views on that but in my view protecting inalienable rights is worth the effort.

And yet you want to put people in internment camps. Interesting.
24 posted on 10/29/2003 8:00:56 AM PST by Quick1
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To: Protagoras; Quick1
It's not about "rights." When it comes to hanging on to our sovereignty it's about power. I want to deny the left, et al. the power to hand over our sovereignty. I want to deny the left, et al. the power to keep us from defending against radical Islam any way we see fit. If the left, et al. react violently they will have to be contained. It's elementary. It's about struggle and power. Not rights.

I just heard a Laura Ingram promo say, "You can trash this Country for only so long. Then it just snaps."

I'm more sensitive. It snapped for me in 1971. Since then I've wanted a Man on Horseback. The first Man on Horseback did pretty good. The second one will do just as well. IMO the Constitution is for those who put America first. They have rights. Period.

25 posted on 10/29/2003 9:00:20 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
It's not about "rights." When it comes to hanging on to our sovereignty it's about power.

Without those Rights all that sovereignty and power gets us is just one more nation.
26 posted on 10/29/2003 9:14:16 AM PST by Valin (A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Since you "snapped" You should seek mental evaluation. Anyone who advocates concentration camps for larges groups of innocent people because of racial background or any other reason is either mentally ill or evil.

Please do not respond, this conversation is over.

27 posted on 10/29/2003 9:16:40 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: Protagoras
Re: "Please do not respond, this conversation is over."

That's a silly request after distorting what I've said. Are you projecting?

Who said anything about "concentration camps for larges groups of innocent people because of racial background?"

The culture war is not about "innocent people" and race.

28 posted on 10/29/2003 12:34:15 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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To: Valin
Re: "Without those Rights all that sovereignty and power gets us is just one more nation."

Yes, very good point. America should never be "just one more nation." It's critical to have government acknowledge our inalienable rights. My argument is not with government per se.

I've been remiss in not specifying the culture war by name. IMO it's real and it's about whose America survives the big war defending against radical Islam. IMO it's a war within a war.

Of course, the left, et al. have inalienable rights to make America into their vision*. They do not however have the right to expect others to go quietly. Nor do I expect the left to go quietly. Neither side will yield.

Eventually matters will have to be settled in the traditional manner, war of some sort. It's been building for decades. I support our side winning by any means possible. IMO that requires another George Washington sort of Man on Horseback. This is about winning both wars to protect America. It's not about creating a dictatorship to replace America.

*However, IMO the left does not have constitutional rights to replace our Constitution with some international federation "constitution."

29 posted on 10/29/2003 1:14:23 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael
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