UFO still puzzles 30 years later (Coyne Incident)

Mansfield Journal ^ | 10/18/2003 | Russ Kent

[SteveH]

MANSFIELD -- Thirty years ago tonight, strange things were happening in the skies over north central Ohio.

A close encounter in Mansfield, that has since become known as "The Coyne Incident," is still raising eyebrows among believers and UFO investigators.

[Gunrunner2]

>>Nobody has yet even proposed a coherent, logical explanation for why such things have been covered up by so many different governments of widely differing political persuasions for more than half a century. <<

Ace.

Game. . .set. . .match. You win on that one.

[Quix]

With my TOP SECRET-CRYPTO CLEARANCE

I had occasion to read requirements for Cosmic and other higher levels of clearance. The 15 year part was in more than one such regulation that I personally read in government docs.

In addition, my relative asserted that there were more than 30 levels of clearance above "TOP SECRET." Other sources have said essentially the same thing.

So much for the point of order.

[Quix]

I forget how many--I think he made 3-5 public comments about IF the world were threatened by an ET type civilization, coming together as a peaceful planet under global unity would be a lot easier.

He said something to that effect at Rekyevick sp. Iceland with Gorbachev.

There were other times. Have seen the videos several times.

He also REPORTEDLY turned to someone at a White House screening of CLOSE ENCOUNTERS and remarked that he and his co-viewer were among the few who know how accurate the movie was.

Perhaps more later. Just got home from a long day.

[Gunrunner2]

"Top-Secret--Crypto Clearance."

Not to be unkind, but, big whoop.

TS with access to crypto is no great shakes, my friend. And this 15-yr thing? Nope.

It is obvious you have never been deeply involved in the area of clearances, the granting thereof and the levels thereof, otherwise you would know your "crypto" thing is not a classification.

You have not briefed predidents, 4-stars, senior military and government officials, among other such (ig)nobles.

I suggest you might want to re-evalate your position in the grand scheme of clearances.

You best re-consider your allegation of level above TS, as numerous people have pointed out, and I do so again, there are caveats, not levels.

Levels above TS is nonsense. There are no such things. . .and, I might add, John Alexander, one of the top people in his field, and an almost true-believer, even briefs this very thing at RV (and other) conferences.

If you had a TS, then you should know about caveats.

There are a number of them.

Point of order still stands.

[Quix]

I was

NOT CLAIMING great knowledge of levels of clearance above my own.

I was merely responding to the query of where I came by my information and conclusions from. So, I told you my experience.

You can say whatever you wish about my experience but it was my experience. I read the government documents about the 15 years of government service required for some

CATEGORIES, if you will, of clearance beyond TS.

And, TS crypto allowed some access which TS did not allow--however you want to word that.

COSMIC allowed some sorts of access other categories did not allow etc.

But that was 35 years or so ago. I don't have any personal experience after that period.

But, I'm not exactly an idiot about my own experience. Nor am I lying.

I don't care how many experts you quote from however many briefings of however many Presidents and generals.

I only know what I experienced. I have opinions about what I've read in addition to my experiences. But my experiences are a different level of accepted reality than opinions about other's experiences that I read about.

You sound incredibly smug and sure about yourself and your opinions.

Are you that way with your teenagers if you have some?

[Quix]

I suppose I could add that

in the vastly compartmentalized world of security clearances . . .

the discussion of those realities varies greatly with the EXPERIENCES of the people reporting knowledge of that world.

And, those experiences VARY GREATLY . . . at least they did 35 years ago. And the literature still sounds like they do currently.

If one wants to construe that realm of reality as a homogeneous whole, they can do so. What relationship such constructions may have with global realities in the vast field may be a whole 'nother issue.

Of course since you know it all, I suppose we could just kowtow and praise your vast knowledge on the subject like submissive sheeple.

[Jim Cane]

I met hundreds of the true-believers at those conferences and they do tend to be passionate and this passion affects their judgment.

Ditto. And that includes both the true believers in ufology and the true believers in debunkery.

[Gunrunner2]

Indeed. That is why I remain agnostic.

[Gunrunner2]

>>Of course since you know it all, I suppose we could just kowtow and praise your vast knowledge on the subject like submissive sheeple.<<

Well. . .at least somebody get's it right.

Have a nice day.

[Jim Cane]

I'm agnostic, except for the part where I believe in UFOs. ha ha

Just trying to keep an open mind without having a hole in the head.

[Gunrunner2]

Yup. . .last count I've got 4 holes in my head, don't need anymore.

[Jim Cane]

Okay, I just commented over on the Diana was Murdered thread that Louis Armstrong was singing on the radio as I was posting. Then a reply about coincidence. I then posted to you a comment about not wanting to have a hole in the head. No sooner had I posted my previous comment to you, that they started playing another Armstrong cover called "Bucket's got a Hole in it." I'm a virile young buck!!!

Forget UFOs. Synchronicity!

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

MJ-12 ping.

[Gunrunner2]

Oh my GOSH. . .must be a conspiracy somewhere here. . .there are no coincidences, ya' know.

;-)

[Mulder]

But hey--to each his own. Perhaps you'll never have occasion to have to adjust your constructions on reality.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm open to the possibility that aliens exist and have even visited Earth. There are simply too many eyewitness accounts to say that all of them are untrue. I'm also open to the idea that they really aren't aliens, but demons or even stooges of the NWO.

Where we part ways is that I don't believe that God is going to allow a bunch of ass-invading gayliens with supernatural powers to travel unmolested across His universe, behaving like a bunch of drunken homosexual space sailors.

[Quix]

THAT ISSUE

of what God would allow in all this has troubled me for a long time.

But there is that Scripture about ALL CREATION GROANS, WAITS EAGERLY, EXPECTANTLY FOR THE MANIFESTATION OF THE SONS OF GOD

It's a cryptic Scripture. But it sure sounds like ALL CREATION is fed up with the degredations that entered Creation with Adam etc. . . . and is waiting for the deliverance which appears so abundantly to be slated for our lifetime as Christ manifests Himself according to so many Scriptural prophecies as rightful and more overtly reigning King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

And, there's that Scripture about men's hearts failing them for fear. Certainly natural disasters and an atomic world war could do that. But I suspecting an overtly known 'invasion' or some such--even just knowing ET's were part of an evil NWO scheme would be a whole 'nother order of men's hearts failing them for fear as their historical constructions on reality came crashing down.

I guess I've come to terms with that bothersome issue more than I had even 10 years ago. I CAN now imagine God allowing such.

I have known a couple of very spiritual women of great prayer habits and enormous sensitivity to The Lord. Both of them asserted matter of factly in this or that discussion in the last 25 years that they knew since childhood that there was evil elsewhere in the universe than earth.

They assert that earth is the battleground that settles it all--and that IT IS FINISHED as Christ said on The Cross--all but the mopping up, so to speak. But what a mopping up set of scenarios seem slated for our . . . 'entertainment.'

Actually, I see it as a kind of final exam (perhaps a 'survival school type exam extraordinaire!') for those who've been in THIS BOOT CAMP over the ages perhaps from a watching/prayer arena--but certainly for those of us alive currently. Scriptures indicate that the spiritual giants down through the ages asked to be born in our era. So, there's something very special about being in on the ending dramas.

Anyway--as my Mormon Bishop PhD Dissertation chairman said when I challenged him about how he handled the many revisions of the Book of Mormon (which they usually denied for most of my life) as well as it's contradictions. He sort of paused slightly and noted somewhat atypically wistfully for him (the sort who'd present 11! publications at an annual APA conference) . . . "Life is sooo complex, just about any cockamayme explanation will do."

I don't even form very rigid convictions about most of Bible Prophecy. I don't think anyone has it all figured out yet. The basics I know.

Salvation through the Blood of Jesus; Love God; Love others; Do unto others; The Cross is central; The Resurrection proves His deity; He promised to never leave me nor forsake me and that eventually where He was, I would be in some more demonstrable, tangible, overt way. That's more or less plenty, enough for me.

I'm utterly convinced our era is the era when the vast bulk of the remaining unfulfilled Biblical prophecies WILL BE fulfilled. No other reading or explanation makes the remotest sense, to me.

And, it promises to be one heck of a ride.

But the exact sequences and what all the various insititutions and players will be doing when in what ways . . . that's still largely up for grabs, it seems to me.

I do think MOST of the ET's are evil or in cahoots with evil as I've said. Some small percentage of what some sources assert are 70+ races may be angels and/or not evil.

It appears that at least quite a representative number of the sentient races in the universe have gathered increasingly over the last centuries to monitor, watch, and perhaps participate in the ending ?'once and for all'? dramas. Clearly God allows whatever for HIS PURPOSES, being the perfect General. He fooled satan at The Cross and The Tomb.

I expect Him to fool satan several times and ways in the ending scenarios.

Christ said this is all about training joint heirs to RULE AND REIGN WITH HIM--evidently endless galaxies and civilizations over endless ages. Why wouldn't such races be keenly interested in the end game?

[Quix]

Why has God allowed Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and a list of other horrors. The only reason that makes sense is

TRUE LOVE REQUIRES THE OPTION TO CHOOSE NON LOVE.

GOD WANTED A TRUE LOVE BASED RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS CREATION MAN.

HE WANTED THE RULERS-IN-TRAINING TO LEARN TO RULE BASED ON A CURRENCE OF LOVE AND SACRIFICIAL SERVANT-HEARTEDNESS--perhaps to avoid a repeat of satan's rebellion.

The option to choose non-love requires an authentic choice with authentic consequences.

Therein enters suffering.

Evidently that suffering includes all manner of ET games and manipulations as well as NWO stuff playing along or deluded into manipulating the ET stuff for the NWO's benefit while the ET's think they are manipulating the NWO for their benefit etc.

God only knows.

We shall see.

[Quix]

Cheers.

[Quix]

Would not call them caveats from my 35-years-ago experience. Would call them EYES ONLY COMPARTMENTALIZATONS.

[Quix]

It sounds like you have difficulty assessing

very complex sets of data or very complex realities where there are an abundance of

SEEMING paradoxes involved.

Many people are in your boat.

Haven't had that big a problem with it for decades. Experience, I guess.