Posted on 10/21/2003 3:02:06 AM PDT by SteveH
Edited on 05/07/2004 8:39:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
MANSFIELD -- Thirty years ago tonight, strange things were happening in the skies over north central Ohio.
A close encounter in Mansfield, that has since become known as "The Coyne Incident," is still raising eyebrows among believers and UFO investigators.
(Excerpt) Read more at mansfieldnewsjournal.com ...
It's that level of paranoia/tinfoil hat/conspiracy thinking that wrecks your credibility. Let's take your example:
You show up in Rockefeller Plaza, in clear few of hundreds if not thousands of people. Some undoubtedly with video cams or at least cameras. You're carrying an alien under each arm. The word would spread like absolute wildfire. There would be hundreds of photos taken in minutes, some reporter would be there, cops, etc. Probably live TV from a mobile unit. And all that before the MIB could possibly arrive. Probably some freelance reporters too. And yet you think it could be hushed up if you were grabbed and never seen again? Wow. If you're willing to believe that, you'd pretty much believe anything.
Would you mind identifying the federal statute that makes that a crime?
You ducked the question of why our government and other governments would have conspired to keep all this secret, and been successful for 50+ years.
As for the capacity of the government to intimidate people....some people can be intimidated pretty easily. Many people cannot be, and are smart enough to take precautions that would make it impossible to silence them.
So forget the motives. IMO people who claim to know that UFOs are from some particular star system and claim to know their motives are full of crap.
If the "whys" are too silly to entertain, focus on the "whats" instead.
Until the government repeals all those laws against regular folk coming into contact with ETs and UFOs, the study of UFOs will be one of deductive reasoning, rather than "hard science" with glossy textbooks on exobiological autopsies and reverse engineering updates in Popular Mechanics.
In the case of the Brazilian sighting, "what" it was was not a bird, not a plane, not a cloud, not superman, not a planet, not a comet, not swamp gas, not a rain of frogs... "what" it was was a large seemingly solid object shaped like two plates attached at the rims, moving at a a high rate of speed, reversing direction over an island, and accelerating off towards the horizon.
It was a UFO. We can't say that it was a spaceship from Zeta Reticuli. We can't say it was a military blimp.
We only can say that it is that which is unkown.
Did you see that prop guy walking down 5th Avenue with the two rubber aliens? They must be filming in the city. *yawn*
So forget the motives. IMO people who claim to know that UFOs are from some particular star system and claim to know their motives are full of crap. If the "whys" are too silly to entertain, focus on the "whats" instead.
They're not too silly to entertain. You cannot know their motives, but the least you expect from rational beings is consistency in their motives. I don't see that. Also, what are the motives of the government to keep this so quiet? That's the real problem I have. Crap, why doesn't Dubya come out and say "Clinton was lying to you -- there are aliens who have contacted us, and here is the evidence"? "Why" is an incredibly important question to ask. Until the government repeals all those laws against regular folk coming into contact with ETs and UFOs,
Like I said, I don't think those laws exist. I think that's someone putting a spin on a law that's isn't nearly as pointed as you're painting it.
I'm sure someone may believe they were prosecuted under a law that said that, but I'm guessing its more of a paraphrase. For example, there's probably a law that says its unlawful to remove debris from a crash site. Not a UFO crash site, but any crash site. And for obvious reasons. There may be hazardous cargo aboard, or you want to conduct an investigation into the cause of the crash so you can prevent it in the future. To save lives, you know. Or maybe its a military plane with some highly secretive components or cargo. All legitimate, non-UFO related reasons for that law.
Yet, you imply that such laws are part of a dark conspiracy to hide "the truth" from the American people. And until such laws are repealed, we can only assume that they really are trying to cover things up.
While I don't discount the possibility that intelligent life exists elsewhere, or even that such life may possibly have visited or observed our planet, the reports and observations to date are not consistent with the level of technology one would expect of such visitors. And the idea of a massive government conspiracy to conceal such contact is both irrational and unsupported.
Fine. Call a reputable local paper, and get someone reputable to walk down with you to the City Coroner. Dump these two bodies on the steps of the building the coroner is on. You'd have cameras there live within 5 minutes. Coroners could tell the difference between a rubber dummy and a real body. You'd have a live feed going all over the city before the MIB would have anything close to a wiff of it.
In the information age, suppressing something like that is impossible. Too easy to prearrange for multiple visual witnesses and media coverage that could not be silenced in time. Heck, cut off bits of the thing before you turn it over, and send them to research labs around the country to be analyzed. When they see the DNA or whatever its got, the lid is blown. Impossible to suppress. Keep a bit or two for yourself, give TV interviews, etc. No way to silence that. No way.
A) a very inferior relative
My relative? I thought we were talking about your relative! Thus he would have had to have been taking too much of his medication.
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