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Time To Engage God's (America's) Enemies
Ths Holy Spirit of God | October 16, Year of Our Lord 2003 | Gargantua

Posted on 10/16/2003 7:34:12 AM PDT by Gargantua

Time To Engage God's (America's) Enemies

It has been said that all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. It's time for Christians to pull our heads out of the sand and take a stand.

One man in California has the Supreme Court of this land now reviewing whether the phrase "under God" should be removed from our Pledge of Allegiance. The Chief Justice of State of Alabama cannot have a display of the Ten Commandments on courthouse property, despite that they are commonly acknowledged to be the basis for all of Western Law. A high school in Louisiana is being sued by the ACLU for saying prayers before football games.

The Liberal Secular Extremists cite the mythical "wall of separation" clause... which appears nowhere in our Constitution.

This is a war, and it is a war to remove every mention of God from every corner of American public life. The goal here is not to enforce our Founders' intent in having written the Constitution, rather it is to eradicate the single source of goodness, truth, and justice (and all of our Constitutionally listed rights...!) the world has in its possession... the Holy Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If indeed our Rights as enumerated in our Constitution are inalienable—that is, cannot be taken from us—because, as our founders wrote, they are granted to us by God the Creator Himself, what praytell becomes of those "Rights" once God is forbidden His rightful place... or even any place... in our society or Government?

If the Christians in America, a nation founded by Christians upon the solid rock of the Word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ, do not fight back with everything God has blessed us with, then we are giving victory to an evil which intends to consume us. We are allowing the immoral to dictate the terms to the moral, and that is then game, set, and match.

There is far more at stake here than whether Washington was a Deist, or whether one sentence from Jefferson's letter to some guy in Connecticut should be used to supersede and reinterpret our entire Constitution. These are not valid arguments, and The Library of Congress has extensive documentation available online which dispels any such deceit.

http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/religion.html

For this war to have gotten to the advanced stage where it now sits on our doorstep and snarls at us like the Hounds of Hell unleashed is the fault not of the minions of Satan who merely do the bidding of their vile master, rather it is the fault of every Christian in this once God-fearing nation who has sat idly by and hoped it would go away.

It is not going to go away. It is coming for us... in our homes, our schools, our places of work and our places of worship. It is time to take a stand and speak the Truth. Then speak It again. And again.

Inasmuch as this conflict, for the time being, remains a war of ideas and ideology, it is still possible to fight it just by speaking out, by letting the Holy Spirit within us move our hearts and tongues to take a vocal and unrelenting stand for what is right.

Whether our discourse in this matter offends some Muslims or Krishnas is not at issue. It is, in fact, a non-issue, and has no place in our deliberations. It is a diversion concocted by those who hate God.

The only issue here is whether our discourse offends God. We can pray that it lifts Him up in praise and glorifies Him, for that in the only way that we will succeed in our quest.

We must raise an outcry that reaches not only to the ACLU, not only to our schools, not only to the courts, not only to the Congress of the United States...

...but one which reaches straight to Heaven, for it is there, and there alone, where all hope for mankind—and America—lies.

May God give us His will, the strength to fight this good fight.


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To: E Rocc
That refers back to the same Jefferson letter referenced in Everson 1947, yes? I didn't know there was an earlier SC reference to it, but it does not change my view that the "wall of separation" of current interpretation is a specious invention of our activist judiciary.
121 posted on 10/16/2003 12:49:08 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: E Rocc
well done!
122 posted on 10/16/2003 12:49:43 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: CodeMonkey
I did respond to it. I would have to research it more to see what the real deal is, and then decide. I am not one to jump to conclusions about people like you or others on this thread. However, I do apologize for the "moron" comment.
123 posted on 10/16/2003 12:49:54 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: Blzbba
Of course they wouldn't. They're not allowed to. Read the Constitution.

You read it. You are the one who has the bogus liberal education.

124 posted on 10/16/2003 12:51:13 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: exmarine
"Clinton was no Christian - his rotten fruit proved that. "


I think only Lewinsky knows the condition of Clinton's fruit.


"Jay was - his good fruit proved that".

Actually, based on what I've read, Jay was a religious bigot, making his fruit rotten too.
125 posted on 10/16/2003 12:53:14 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: exmarine
The question still remains, if the information presented by the other poster in this case are correct then would you not call John Jay a religious bigot?
126 posted on 10/16/2003 12:53:38 PM PDT by CodeMonkey
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To: CodeMonkey
Why do you even bother to call modern leftist thought "liberalism?" There is nothing liberal about it. It is even less liberal than most modern "conservatives" who are in reality more fascistic than they are modern ideological descendants of Locke and our founders. One of the best articles IMO on FR in a long time was one lamenting how conservatism today is more about views on morality and religion than economics, individual rights, a commitment to a traditional, non-interventionist foreign policy and all that jazz.

Most people I know assocaite the word "liberal" with a leftie. Don't blame me that the meanings of words have changed over 200 years.

If you don't think morality is important, then I feel sorry for you. John Adams said the Constitution was "written for a moral and religious people and it is inadequate for the government of any other." Apparently, our Constitution is inadequate for you and others like you who scoff at right and wrong.

127 posted on 10/16/2003 12:53:50 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: Gargantua
""My question to you is...what version of Christianity gets to be the 'public' one?""

"Your diversionary, baiting phlegm is not asked, needed, or appreciated. "

See - zero tolerance for views other than yours.
ANSWER THE FOOKIN' QUESTION!
128 posted on 10/16/2003 12:54:35 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: azhenfud
"I wasn't disagreeing with your perspective - just trying to relate the task begins from within."

We agree. Good point. God's Word in the Bible insists that all Christians become lamps of Christ's love to the rest of the world, that we shine the Light of His Love into the dark corners of this world and the dark corners of men's hearts... through witnessing evangelism, and through the examples we set in our own lives.

The recent "Any Mention Of God Is Hate Speech" trend, where Christ in the manger is no longer allowed at Christmas Nativity displays, and all other attempts of Satan and his putrefacted minions to stifle the spreading of the Good News of Jesus Christ, must not be put up with by Christians any longer.

We are told to be on the front lines of this war, not waiting in the shadows for somebody else to carry our water.

129 posted on 10/16/2003 12:54:41 PM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: exmarine
You do not understand that there is a battle waging in this country between secular humanism and Christianity. The two worldviews are antithesis to one another.
-ex-




You do not understand that there is a battle waging in this country between our secular constitution, dedicated to protecting human rights; --- and absolutists who profess 'christianity', but are in fact anti-constituionalists.

The two political views are antithesis to one another.

130 posted on 10/16/2003 12:54:47 PM PDT by tpaine (I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
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To: Blzbba
"For unto these shall be given the right to be called the children of God."
131 posted on 10/16/2003 12:56:56 PM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: Gargantua
I'm not sure I see where you're going with this. Let's see if we can't actually establish a dialogue here. Short of pretending to believe in something that I do not, what would you have me, an atheist, do?
132 posted on 10/16/2003 12:57:16 PM PDT by Melas
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To: CodeMonkey
The question still remains, if the information presented by the other poster in this case are correct then would you not call John Jay a religious bigot?

Honestly, it's hard to say. It is radical to offer office only to Christians and to allow only Christians as U.S. citizens, but the context of the times must be considered. The U.S. at that time was 99% Christian. There were hardly any other religions to speak of in America at that time (smattering of catholics and jewish citizens). It was a Christian nation - that's a simple historical fact. John Jay's motives may have been good - I can't read his motives, and I can't put myself in 1790.

In any case, no man is perfect and he may be wrong for refusing citizenship to catholics regardless of the consensus.

Regardless, he was a contributor to the Federalist papers and the first chief justice of the Supreme Court, and he was a true believer in my opinion. So God will be his judge. I can't see a man's motive - only God can. And I believe the answer lies in his motive.

133 posted on 10/16/2003 12:58:14 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: Blzbba
You know, early schools that taught the children who became America's engineers, doctors, inventors, and patriots of WWI and WWII were founded and funded mostly by church-goers and were assembled in churches. Their percentages of illiteracy were nothing comparatively close to the government funded schools of today.
134 posted on 10/16/2003 12:58:52 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: tpaine
You have already shown that you have no handle on history, so you should just quit while you are ahead. Your knowledge of history has been found wanting so many times, it's pathetic. Don't you ever get embarrassed?
135 posted on 10/16/2003 12:59:45 PM PDT by exmarine
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To: Blzbba
I agree with you. The effort to politicize God was wrong, is wrong, and has produced an unchristian society. I remember the time before these efforts and we were a better nation then.
136 posted on 10/16/2003 12:59:57 PM PDT by backtothestreets
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To: Blzbba
"...and the KKK -- all groups with "Christian" origins."

Thank you for illustrating for all your opinion of what "Christian" means. What are you doing posting on a Christian thread? Are you here just to disrupt?

137 posted on 10/16/2003 1:00:28 PM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: exmarine
"If you don't cease with your bogus strawmen, the exchange will end. I'm sick of that crap. You either argue against the black and white points I made, or take a hike."


There's nothing bogus or straw-like about anything I've said. Speaking of "strawman", using that religious bigot John Jay as one of your Christian heroes is the ultimate Strawman. And your failure to read that I have, indeed, argued your points constitutes avoidance of the debate and you should be the one taking said hike.



"These people are free to worship as they wish, however, they are not free to restrict my freedom, and I woujld never trust muslims (egad!) or hindus to govern according to truth.


Noone is restricting your freedom - yet Another Strawman! It must be Halloween, because you're dressed like the scarecrow. Again, tell me where anything has occurred that prevents you from going to church or worshipping as you desire in your own home.


"Some jewish people are the exception (the truly conservative ones who take the bible seriously - medved, Schlesinger, Prager, etc.).""

Well, some Christians are exceptions to your rule that all Christians have this wonderful morality and desire peace and God's love for all. Every Klan member thinks he's doing God's work...every dollar stolen from good people by "Christian" televangelists is a black mark against your pious arguments.

But then you mention Dr. Hypocrite PornographyQueen Schlessinger as a moral compass and, with this ludicrous example, I ask you to take leave of this debate.
138 posted on 10/16/2003 1:00:47 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: exmarine
If you don't think morality is important, then I feel sorry for you.

I think individual freedom is more important. I am of the opinion that without individual freedom to choose to do evil, a man cannot be called good. I do not believe you can pass moral judgement against an evil act in an oppressive society because I consider freedom the basis of morality, not the other way around.

Apparently, our Constitution is inadequate for you and others like you who scoff at right and wrong.

If the only thing beyond the scope of the Constitution that the US government did was to run the US Air Force then I'd be perfectly happy with our Constitution. In fact I am as it is, my gripes are with those inbred idiots that cannot understand that the 2nd amendment's preposition phrase has no meaning, not to mention their inability to read the rest of the constitution for comprehension. It's like the WoD, what part of the US Government not having intrastate commerce regulatory powers do so many allegedly strict constructionist conservatives not understand?

139 posted on 10/16/2003 1:01:30 PM PDT by CodeMonkey
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To: Gargantua
""...and the KKK -- all groups with "Christian" origins.""

I repeat - ALL the groups I mention consider themselves to be "Christian". Whether you think they are or not is completely irrelevant - THEY think they are.

I do not want their versions of Christianity being supported with my tax money or in the public square. But unfortunately, they have that right (to exist).
140 posted on 10/16/2003 1:03:17 PM PDT by Blzbba
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