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1 posted on 12/02/2014 2:48:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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◄ Matthew 10:34 ► "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. -- New International Version
2 posted on 12/02/2014 2:51:37 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Democrats have a lynch mob mentality. They always have.)
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Paul must have misread the Bible. There is plenty of justification for violence to overcome evil.


3 posted on 12/02/2014 2:51:52 PM PST by ilgipper
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Just shut up Ron. You embarrass those of us who voted for your kid.

Imbecile.


4 posted on 12/02/2014 2:53:21 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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Jesus said, “I didn’t come to bring peace, “. Would Paul have let the Nazis take over Europe?


6 posted on 12/02/2014 2:53:57 PM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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Like 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

What does Ron Paul think Jesus meant for his disciples to DO with those swords, crack walnuts?


10 posted on 12/02/2014 2:58:29 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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If a Christian was walking down the street and encountered an evil person about to kill an innocent person, and his only option is to kill the evil one, it is his duty to do that.

Jesus said “he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”. In order for someone to “die by the sword”, they have to be killed by someone. To live by the sword means to kill innocents (think Saddam Hussein). To die by the sword means to be killed for your evil (think Saddam Hussein being killed for his crimes). There’s a difference.


11 posted on 12/02/2014 2:59:17 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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That is such a libtard pov.


13 posted on 12/02/2014 2:59:59 PM PST by Track9 (Coal Burner)
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Many colonials believed that the American Revolution was against Christian teachings:

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. - Romans 13:1-3

Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you. - Hebrews 13:17

Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. - I Peter 2:13-14

Remember these passages were written to Christians living under the yoke of Roman occupation.

So these types of questions require a true commitment to study, understand, and follow what the bible actually teaches.

I personally believe that Americans should only be placed in harm’s way when it is clearly necessary for US long term security. I would not engage in war for economic benefit.

And I feel no requirement to somehow rebuild or democratize the offending party. Punish US enemies, reward her friends. True statesmanship in a nutshell. And perfectly compatible with my understanding of Scripture.


15 posted on 12/02/2014 3:11:08 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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We don’t live in a theocracy, and Jesus told us to “render unto Caesar what is Caesars” and we are told in the New Testament that we are to view ourselves as travelers in a foreign land.

The Church does not run the country, rather, the country is to be run by those best at providing a stable environment where people can engage in commerce and raise their families. We can and should pray for our leaders, but to be honest Christianity is uniquely adapted to function in varying political systems, and that is because of the example provided by Jesus Christ Our Lord.


16 posted on 12/02/2014 3:31:38 PM PST by BlackAdderess
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I used to have hopes for Paul the Younger. But no more. He sounds as poisonous as his Daddy Very sad, they had some other ideas that are positive but we desperately need someone that’s credible on defense and foreign policy. Especially if we survive 8 years of Obama


17 posted on 12/02/2014 3:42:11 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..) c)
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“My understanding is that Jesus was the Prince of Peace, and that you weren’t out looking for war.”

We’re not out there looking for wars, Ron. We just don’t run and hide when people are trying to kill us, like you and your ilk would have us do.


19 posted on 12/02/2014 4:22:49 PM PST by Boogieman
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Ron Paul needs to watch Sergeant York.


21 posted on 12/02/2014 4:37:14 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (It's better to die free than live as a slave)
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The Jesus who cleared the Temple with a whip would beg to differ. War against evil is not only acceptable, it’s necessary.


27 posted on 12/02/2014 6:22:00 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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Nothing wrong with starting wars. Just make sure you can win them, and never start wars on borrowed money. If there is surplus sitting in the US Treasury, US must act as world policeman, and keep the bad guys in check. But it is Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east. Our future generations are not gonna be happy!


29 posted on 12/02/2014 7:45:30 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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He deliberately misrepresents those Christians then.

Show me, Mr Paultard, the actual statements evangelicals made, wanting to go to war or wanting to use the USA to police areas where we have no vital interests!

You won’t find them, because they do not exist.

We can have a debate about whether a particular part of the world, a country, or a resource in that area/country is vitally important to us, but it is not the will of evangelicals to go to war simply to have war. Usually there is long series of usurpations, tragedies, events and outrages that lead to war. That is where the debate is.

Appeasement as a solution to these types of problems DOES NOT work. The 1930’s rise of Hitler and the eventuality of WWII proved that.

Containment might work, but we have to be prepared to go to war to make it work, else it is just a bluff and appeasement in the end.

As Patrick Henry said, better to die on your feet then live as a slave on your knees.

And I honestly think Paul hates Jews, and a lot of this is simply plain old anti-Semitism.


36 posted on 12/03/2014 10:35:56 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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Not to start a hub bub but Paul is right about many things, Jesus was talking about our personal lives.

We did not have Christians running the world back then so it is an entirely different situation, Paul might not be a good man to handle the present situation but he was not wrong about every thing.


43 posted on 12/04/2014 8:31:13 AM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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